For Sale 1970 Chrysler Cordoba 383 H.p. N code 750. Commerce Ciry Co. [Denver]

[commando1]

the N code(335HP) was available in the 70 Plymouth Fury GT

We're talking 383s here, not 440.

The 1970 GT's standard engine was the the 440 cui V8 engine with 350 hp, but a 440 cui powerplant with Six Pak carburetion and 390 hp was optional.

You are getting confused.
The guy claims his Newport has the 383/335 by virtue of his saying it has the 383 HP engine (335 hp.)
It couldn't and it doesn't have it. I say it has the 383/330.

Again, the 383/335 HP was B and E body only.

 

[detmatt]

My '68 RR had ac originally and would have been a 330 horse 383 and it would have been turquoise.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Yep, I had a 335 horse N code 383 in my 69 Bee.

Pretty sure that was an "H" code in '69 ;)

OK folks...deep cleansing breath......

VIN code N only tells you the car had a 383-4bbl. It does not tell you WHICH 383-4bbl the car received as the 383-335 horse and the 383-330 horse both code N in the VIN. Engine code E63 is the same way. All the code tells you is that the car had the 383 4-bbl. It does not distinguish between the different versions. You have to know specific application of the versions.

Stan is right. There was no 383-4bbl 335 horse assembly available for C bodies therefore this is not an "HP" assembly. B and E bodies can have either the 383 HP or non HP version depending on the application.

This is an example of telling a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Too many sources list the N code as the HP engine without explaining the distinction between the different versions and applications of the 68-70 383-4bbls.

Prior to '68 and in '71, the 383-4bbl was considered the HP because there was only one 383-4bbl assembly. Compared to the 383-2bbl assembly, the 4bbl assembly, by default, was the HP version.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Incorrect...with A/C they were corporate blue like a 350hp 440.

In 68 and 69, A/C cars did receive the 330 horse turquoise assembly. In 1970, there is an orange 335 horse A/C assembly

 

[polara71]

Stan has been taught a lot on FCBO in the last four years...

But Doug, I have to disagree. To say the N code in a C body is not considered an HP engine I believe is incorrect. IN MY OPINION Because the 383-4 has 40 more ponies than the 383-2 makes it a high performance version. True, it doesnt have the 335 rating as the Runner or Bee but if you didnt have that engine or those cars to compare the 5HP to how would you feel?

Color alone doesnt define a high performance engine.

Does the 4 barrel alone add the 40 horse? Or is there other factors involved?

And why cant there be different versions of a high performance engine?

 

[polara66hardtop]

Sorry, stan,I meant to say Fury. Too bad somebody isn't close to the car. It would be easy to tell which it is. It all comes down to finding two letters(HP) on that block, matching VIN numbers, eng and Transmission.My 1970 Chrysler only Service book refers to a 383 HP N code option,,,,,,Just saying.The question is were there two optional four Barrel 383's available in 1970 on a C Body? In the end I feel it has no bearing on value. Both are good.

We're talking 383s here, not 440

The 1970 GT's standard engine was the the 440 cui V8 engine with 350 hp, but a 440 cui powerplant with Six Pak carburetion and 390 hp was optional.

You are getting confused.
The guy claims his Newport has the 383/335 by virtue of his saying it has the 383 HP engine (335 hp.)
It couldn't and it doesn't have it. I say it has the 383/330.

Again, the 383/335 HP was B and E body only.

 

[69CoronetRT]

Stan has been taught a lot on FCBO in the last four years...

But Doug, I have to disagree. To say the N code in a C body is not considered an HP engine I believe is incorrect. IN MY OPINION Because the 383-4 has 40 more ponies than the 383-2 makes it a high performance version. True, it doesnt have the 335 rating as the Runner or Bee but if you didnt have that engine or those cars to compare the 5HP to how would you feel?

Color alone doesnt define a high performance engine.

Does the 4 barrel alone add the 40 horse? Or is there other factors involved?

And why cant there be different versions of a high performance engine?

Again, you have to remember the term "HP" was reserved for the 68-70 A, B and E body assemblies that were truly different than the standard 383-4 bbls. The HP came with the different cam, windage tray, carb, and distributors. There is a distinction and a difference between the 68-70 HP and non HP assemblies.

There was no C body 383-4bbl assembly that did come with the different components. Therefore, there is no 68-70 C body 383 HP assembly.

Again, prior to 68 and in 71, the distinction between the 383 HP and non HP is that there is only one assembly of the 383-4bbl. "HP" does indicate the difference between a 2 and 4bbl. From 68 to 70, the carb is not the sole distinguishing characteristic between HP and non HP.

 

[polara71]

Again, you have to remember the term "HP" was reserved for the 68-70 A, B and E body assemblies that were truly different than the standard 383-4 bbls. The HP came with the different cam, windage tray, carb, and distributors. There is a distinction and a difference between the 68-70 HP and non HP assemblies.

There was no C body 383-4bbl assembly that did come with the different components. Therefore, there is no 68-70 C body 383 HP assembly.

Again, prior to 68 and in 71, the distinction between the 383 HP and non HP is that there is only one assembly of the 383-4bbl. "HP" does indicate the difference between a 2 and 4bbl. From 68 to 70, the carb is not the sole distinguishing characteristic between HP and non HP.

So, if I take the "HP" manifolds off and install logs and run a single pipe then will I still get the rated 330 horse?

 

[polara66hardtop]

The short block assemblies of the two 68-70 383 four barrel engines are exactly Identical. Pistons,valves, rods,crank, and Heads are identical, as is the Intake and High Performance Exhaust Manifolds. It is just that for marketing purposes that stamp and minor tweaks were added to make the two B bodies different. Simple as that. Now, if that 70' Chrysler Has an HP stamp on the block, then it was the 335 version. It has to be. Chrysler wouldn't stamp a 330 Horse engine. But, If it doesn't have it, it Isn't. Mystery solved. Chrysler would have made a N code 330HP engine.

 

[1969vert500]

Pretty sure that was an "H" code in '69 ;)

I agree with that, N code is not the HP engine. Not too many RM23N roadrunner vins out there they are all H with the 383 HP (RM23H).

 

[1978 NYB]

Thanks Doug...my Bee was an H code 383.

There was a little different cam, manifolds, carb, and a few other things. I think the two big differences my Bee had compared to a C Body was the 3.23 axle and the weight difference.

 

[69CoronetRT]

So, if I take the "HP" manifolds off and install logs and run a single pipe then will I still get the rated 330 horse?

Don't know. Different topic. The HP assemblies were more than just manifolds.

 

[1978 NYB]

Sorry guys....I didn't read the last page before my last post.

 

[69CoronetRT]

I agree with that, N code is not the HP engine. Not too many RM23N roadrunner vins out there they are all H with the 383 HP (RM23H).

All 383-4bbls RR's carry the H code whether they are HP or not. A/C cars got the 330 horse but still have the H vin.

The VIN code only tells you WHAT engine (383-4bbl) is does not tell WHICH assembly the car came with. You have to look at other factors to determine the 'which'.

 

[69CoronetRT]

... I think the two big differences my Bee had compared to a C Body was the 3.23 axle and the weight difference.

And styling...don't forget styling. The 69 Coronets are beautiful. ;)

 

[69CoronetRT]

... minor tweaks were added to make the two B bodies different. .....

I'm not sure a cam, valve springs, distributor, carb and windage tray classify as 'minor' tweaks.

There really is no mystery. There was no C body 335 horse assembly.

 

[1978 NYB]

And styling...don't forget styling. The 69 Coronets are beautiful. ;)

Roger that. That 69 Bee was my first car....bought it in 1971.

I still love that dang car!!!

 

[polara66hardtop]

ccasion14:I do. It costs about two hundred bucks today to add those things, available anywhere.The heavier springs were for the higher lift cam, which was where that 5 HP came from. The point is those were add-on Items, Nothing different with the hard parts. No boring,stroking,compression changes,crank. Regarding the N code 70', My Numbers matching 70' challenger was an N code, and it was stamped HP.

I also agree that the 69' Coronet was the best looking car out there, period(excluding Charger)

 

[1969vert500]

70 was different though as H became the code for 340's and N was the 383.

ccasion14:I do. It costs about two hundred bucks today to add those things, available anywhere.The heavier springs were for the higher lift cam, which was where that 5 HP came from. The point is those were add-on Items, Nothing different with the hard parts. No boring,stroking,compression changes,crank. Regarding the N code 70', My Numbers matching 70' challenger was an N code, and it was stamped HP.

I also agree that the 69' Coronet was the best looking car out there, period(excluding Charger)

 

[commando1]

A 1970 383/330 had a milder cam than the 1970 383/335
In 1970......
There were two versions of the 383 4bbl. From the Mopar literature.
One was"rated" 330 hp. From the literature.
The other was "rated" 335 hp. From the Mopar literature.
Mopar literature only used the term 383 HP" when referring to the 383/335.

You wanna call it a hipo 383? IDGAF Go Ahead.
I'm talking literature here.