For Sale 70 Monaco 500 FK5

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he knew how much room he had when he bought the car. sounds like he bought it cheap and took it apart to do a through paint job. he found some rust , realized there wasn't quick $$$ to make and cashed out. too bad it was disassembled on the other side of the country because i liked it. hopefully the other cars in his shop don't meet the same fate.
 
Stan was mocking him !
You seem intent on defending him , not sure why. Now you use space as an excuse. He had no trouble finding the space to tear it down . Exactly when did he find all these bad repairs on an all original car? Why weren't they described in his Facebook ad?
Since you say he is a forwardlook guy Let me ask you Steve, if this was a Forwardlook car would he have looked elsewhere for a buyer besides Facebook?

This guy is a liar, loser scumbag that has no interest in cars (only money) nor does he have any scruples, etiquette or common sense .
All he had to do was put everything back in the car, in place and accept an eighteen hundred dollar offer. A days worth of work. Now as you've said it he's paid a months storage on parts and will continue to do so ...

WTF?
 
Stan was mocking him !
You seem intent on defending him , not sure why. Now you use space as an excuse. He had no trouble finding the space to tear it down . Exactly when did he find all these bad repairs on an all original car? Why weren't they described in his Facebook ad?
Since you say he is a forwardlook guy Let me ask you Steve, if this was a Forwardlook car would he have looked elsewhere for a buyer besides Facebook?

This guy is a liar, loser scumbag that has no interest in cars (only money) nor does he have any scruples, etiquette or common sense .
All he had to do was put everything back in the car, in place and accept an eighteen hundred dollar offer. A days worth of work. Now as you've said it he's paid a months storage on parts and will continue to do so ...

WTF?

Hey, I am not trying to defend the guy as much as I was trying to explain the reality that I saw and was surprised by myself. The guy doesn't have a nice comfortable, rewarding life from what I could see, and I doubt he would have cared whether it was a fuselage, slab side, formal or forward look. He is obviously (to me from what I see) struggling to make ends meet (maybe some of it is his fault, I don't know all that he has to deal with) but when bills are due and customers are slow or not paying like they should (a very common issue with paint/body guys), yeah, he might be more focused on making money than fondling a nearly 50 year old Monaco that not that many people apparently need very badly. You obviously have a very different reality, as you seem to have plenty of time to be on this site 24/7 with responses, whereas I doubt he has 10 minutes each day to look at the internet unless he has to. He didn't lie to me about anything that I bought nor do I know when he found out what about the problems with the body. I also realize this guy is past 50 years old, and given what he does, he has been smelling lousy fumes for most of his working life of 30 years doing this, and his body is probably starting to break down from all the sanding, grinding, welding, heavy lifting, pushing cars around etc. that comes with the job and then dealing with typical customers who don't pay as they should. Frankly, if I were in his shoes, I would probably struggle to figure out why I get up in the morning and go to another day of the job.

I am sure the wealthy 10% in this country don't care about the reality the middle class or poor face either, and they probably just assume that we are all just a lot of worthless fools too, although I wonder if they have any sense of reality of real life that most of us share or whether they could care less to even wonder about it. And as I said, I do not know all the realities he faces, but am surprised at what I see enough, to not be his judge.

The biggest problem many seem to have here is that another 50 year old car (desirable to them (including me) and few others in reality) is going to the scrapper, and otherwise parted out, but they also didn't even care enough to make him an offer that would have been a better deal for him from the time/cost/ possible income realities than the path he decided to take. He seems to have gotten plenty of coverage with the faithful here and elsewhere, and no one stepped up. So he decided to cut his losses. That is all I know.

I have a virtually identical 1970 FK5 Monaco, in much better shape than this one was and with a lot of NOS parts too to make it virtually new. And if someone here is so upset that they need to have one, I will sell mine to them but it won't be for $3500. But I will not wait in anticipation of my phone ringing off the hook or my inbox filling up soon either.
 
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Wow.He didn,t have time or money to invest in it anymore.500 a month overhead is a small fortune for most of us,really.Just a shame it could,t be kept together.But nobody bought it and he felt he had to make some money.If he had deep pockets and more storage he could have sat on it for awhile.At least it wash,t crushed and parts went to other projects that will be completed.So there,s that upside.B.B
 
he knew how much room he had when he bought the car. sounds like he bought it cheap and took it apart to do a through paint job. he found some rust , realized there wasn't quick $$$ to make and cashed out. too bad it was disassembled on the other side of the country because i liked it. hopefully the other cars in his shop don't meet the same fate.

The ones in his shop are "paying customers" but that usually means if they have the money this month.
 
Hey, I am not trying to defend the guy as much as I was trying to explain the reality that I saw and was surprised by myself. The guy doesn't have a nice comfortable, rewarding life from what I could see, and I doubt he would have cared whether it was a fuselage, slab side, formal or forward look. He is obviously (to me from what I see) struggling to make ends meet (maybe some of it is his fault, I don't know all that he has to deal with) but when bills are due and customers are slow or not paying like they should (a very common issue with paint/body guys), yeah, he might be more focused on making money than fondling a nearly 50 year old Monaco that not that many people apparently need very badly. You obviously have a very different reality, as you seem to have plenty of time to be on this site 24/7 with responses, whereas I doubt he has 10 minutes each day to look at the internet unless he has too. He didn't lie to me about anything that I bought nor do I know when he found out what about the problems with the body. I also realize this guy is past 50 years old, and given what he does, he has been smelling lousy fumes for most of his working life of 30 years doing this, and his body is probably starting to break down from all the sanding, grinding, welding, heavy lifting, pushing cars around etc. that comes with the job and then dealing with typical customers who don't pay as they should. Frankly, if I were in his shoes, I would probably struggle to figure out why I get up in the morning and go to another day of the job.

I am sure the wealthy 10% in this country don't care about the reality the middle class or poor face either, and they probably just assume that we are all just a lot of worthless fools too, although I wonder if they have any sense of reality of real life that most of us share or whether they could care less to even wonder about it. And as I said, I do not know all the realities he faces, but am surprised at what I see enough, to not be his judge.

The biggest problem many seem to have here is that another 50 year old car (desirable to them (including me) and few others in reality) is going to the scrapper, and otherwise parted out, but they also didn't even care enough to make him an offer that would have been a better deal for him from the time/cost/ possible income realities than the path he decided to take. He seems to have gotten plenty of coverage with the faithful here and elsewhere, and no one stepped up. So he decided to cut his losses. That is all I know.

I have a virtually identical 1970 FK5 Monaco, in much better shape than this one was and with a lot of NOS parts too to make it virtually new. And if someone here is so upset that they need to have one, I will sell mine to them but it won't be for $3500. But I will not wait in anticipation of my phone ringing off the hook or my inbox filling up soon either.

and you feel Facebook is the ultimate advertising medium?


Wow .... I feel bad for both of you.
 
and you feel Facebook is the ultimate advertising medium?


Wow .... I feel bad for both of you.
I don't think any medium is the ultimate. And any that might be probably won't be for long. Remember when an ad in the newspaper was the best game in town? Remember when E-bay had some great deals on all types of cars from other car guys like us? Now in my opinion Craigslist and Facebook are the most used by the masses. Not saying the best but most used. My opinion is that is so because they are free. I know Facebook has it's issues and actually I recently deactivated my account because of some of those issues. That being said if I go back on Facebook it will be for the various "Cars For Sale" pages.
 
Sure, I'll answer but I thought it was obvious he learned that word had reached our site (he read through our website and contacted Wyatt initially himself) and got a call from me and perhaps a couple others from here. And Facebook has its own areas dedicated to folks that like the cars we do. From what he said to me, he felt he had reached his intended audience of the most likely folks that would be interested, and as I said before, he didn't want to deal with Craigslist BS because he didn't have time for it all.

And I will add that he had other parts from cars he was working on for customers in his storage area as well, so his ability to hang onto even the used stuff that remains will not last long. He took the Monaco apart at his shop where he had two parking spaces outside dedicated to him. The second spot is where his 300F sits, waiting (probably a long time) for its turn for restoration.
 
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Sure, I'll answer but I thought it was obvious he learned that the word had reached our site (he read through our website and contacted Wyatt initially himself) and got a call from me and perhaps a couple others from here. And Facebook has its own areas dedicated to folks that like the cars we do. From what he said to me, he felt he had reached his intended audience of the most likely folks that would be interested, and as I said before, he didn't want to deal with Craigslist BS because he didn't have time for it all.

And I will add that he had other parts from cars he was working on for customers in his storage area as well, so his ability to hang onto even the used stuff that remains will not last long. He took the Monaco apart at his shop where he had two parking spaces outside dedicated to him. The second spot is where his 300F sits, waiting (probably a long time) for its turn for restoration.
So, he knew the car wouldn't be long for this world when he decided to sell? CL can be a hassle, I get that, but FB is still as much of a pain in the ***, if not more, in it's own fun way. And I feel there are more people with unrealistic, high prices selling project cars for running car prices. Look at what Wyatt sold Minnesota for, it needed some work, but was a complete running driving car. The Monaco wasn't a bad deal at $3500, but thrown together, even poorly just for transportation reasons, might have moved the car. When the seller showed the lack of effort to make it as attractive as possible, he shot himself in the foot. And if the shell was that bad, he should have said so, the old truth in advertising. I feel bad for the car. I feel bad for anyone that wanted it but didn't have the means to deal with the headache it would have been getting all the parts and not missing something. I feel bad for others, but not the seller, he was the one in charge of this from day one, and had his mind made up to sell the parts and get his money back, he just tried to sell a shell with it. Not saying he's a bad guy, never met him, but his sales technique sucked, and now another cool car is gone forever, because of poor planning.
 
Not to offend but i would rather stay off Facebook.It just seems there,s a cultish thing going on where everybody has to know everything about everyone and they have been a little to willing to look the other way if money is involved.B.B
 
So, he knew the car wouldn't be long for this world when he decided to sell? CL can be a hassle, I get that, but FB is still as much of a pain in the ***, if not more, in it's own fun way. And I feel there are more people with unrealistic, high prices selling project cars for running car prices. Look at what Wyatt sold Minnesota for, it needed some work, but was a complete running driving car. The Monaco wasn't a bad deal at $3500, but thrown together, even poorly just for transportation reasons, might have moved the car. When the seller showed the lack of effort to make it as attractive as possible, he shot himself in the foot. And if the shell was that bad, he should have said so, the old truth in advertising. I feel bad for the car. I feel bad for anyone that wanted it but didn't have the means to deal with the headache it would have been getting all the parts and not missing something. I feel bad for others, but not the seller, he was the one in charge of this from day one, and had his mind made up to sell the parts and get his money back, he just tried to sell a shell with it. Not saying he's a bad guy, never met him, but his sales technique sucked, and now another cool car is gone forever, because of poor planning.

I didn't get to see the shell, but my impession from what he said was that the rust, dents, and other previous repairs were such that he couldn't go forward with his initial plan and make any money - rather he would lose even more than the $3500 he already lost at that point if selling at the indicated price, including all the NOS parts, if he continued. It doesn't mean the shell was so bad that it couldn't be repaired, as I had the impression it was still very salvageable from what he said. He is in business to make money not lose any more, and he felt that if someone really liked this car, they would have stepped up to the plate. He could have just advertised the NOS parts and got his $3500, but he still tried to sell everything so the car could be saved at a give away price. But no one did step up because no one apparently cared that much either at least for the ones he tried to send the information to with his limited time. That is why I agree with Stan (I don't think he was mocking this guy either), no one made an acceptable offer. Stan immediately got it. And after seeing what was going on, so did I.

The Japanese engineers that I worked with many decades had a saying - if you really want to understand what is going on, "go and see". Wise words that are a key to their successes. And their humility is also a key to their success - if you visit Japan these days, you will see what a difference it makes to see humility at work in their society. Arrogance is destroying our country by comparison. It just isn't what it used to be when I was growing up, and that is the big difference it seems to me.
 
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I didn't get to see the shell, but my impession from what he said was that the rust, dents, and other previous repairs were such that he couldn't go forward with his initial plan and make any money - rather he would lose even more than the $3500 he already lost at that point if selling at the indicated price, including all the NOS parts, if he continued. It doesn't mean the shell was so bad that it couldn't be repaired, as I had the impression it was still very salvageable from what he said. He is in business to make money not lose any more, and he felt that if someone really liked this car, they would have stepped up to the plate. He could have just advertised the NOS parts and got his $3500, but he still tried to sell everything so the car could be saved at a give away price. But no one did step up because no one apparently cared that much either at least for the ones he tried to send the information to with his limited time. That is why I agree with Stan (I don't think he was mocking this guy either), no one made an acceptable offer. Stan immediately got it. And after seeing what was going on, so did I.

The Japanese engineers that I worked with many years had a saying, if you really want to understand what is going on, "go and see". Wise words that are a key to their successes.
Which is why I never buy a car with any intentions of making money. I did that once, about fifteen years ago I bought a '66 Polara to flip...
 
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Which is why I never buy a car with any intentions not making money. I did that once, about fifteen years ago I bought a '66 Polara to flip...

Yep, it is rarely worth it unless one is dishonest enough to not disclose its issues. And I will never do the latter because in the long run it isn't worth it either.

I buy cars because I really like them, a lot, and don't want to see them die (yeah, I know, that is crazy too!). Thats it, and sometimes I do try to sell them when I get too overloaded, but often spend more time than it is worth to get them in a condition where the buyer will be happy. But I am trying to focus more on myself instead of trying to save any more, or buy any more for any reason, as I am not getting any younger and I already have every car I have ever really wanted.
 
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Steve, you keep defending the sellers point BUT
1, There was at least one offer out there without the NOS parts that he never followed through on.
2, the seller only sold and is still trying to sell on Facebook then says no one stepped up.
3, only Now the car is said to have bad repairs and rust which was never disclosed as he poorly advertised the car.
4 ,How can an all original car have bad repairs?
5, If the storage costs are 500 a month and he's now at least two months in, wouldn't it have been best to put all the pieces back into the car ? It would have reduced storage costs and have been more attractive to a potential buyer.

6, and to add to that, how is it he didn't want to take the time to deal on other sites except FB but feels he has the time to handle phone calls and messages on FB, and also has the time to package up and ship many, many small parts and large bulky parts ?
7, Don't think he reached Wyatt from this site! He reached out to Wyatt because of Facebook.
 
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Yep, it is rarely worth it unless one is dishonest enough to not disclose its issues. And I will never do the latter because in the long run it isn't worth it either.
I like what you're saying about this situation... for the most part. I think the fella was seriously misguided that there was ever a payday at the end of this project. I'm imagining the idea was a quick panel straightening and paint job, followed by enough NOS to put her together into some sort of flip condition... but the guy overpaid for that to ever have worked out, and he choose a C Body that has only a handful of true enthusiasts to sell to when finished.

This all seems very unrealistic for a guy with no space to work and a full time (fool time?) mud and spray operation. I don't know his work, which may be very good, but the planning for this car obviously went far wrong.

Polara Dave is right, this guy had no love for the car or model... and he probably made out no better than he would have selling the carcass to Dave and the NOS separately... but he would have offered the car another chance to live on. For some of us, and I think that includes you Steve, it matters that the car is preserved even more than the money is right.
 
He certainly seems to have enough time now to list the dozens of parts on FB Mopar Parts Exchange at unreasonable prices. $200 for a pair of C body mirrors? Yikes. Last year he had several Hursts worth of parts for sale. I think he scrapped most of them.

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What a tremendously disappointing ending to a nicely optioned C body. I've searched through at least 3 other threads that have been posted about this Monaco, and it sure looked solid underneath.
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Is the rolling shell still available? I'd rather see someone use it to rebody something (like that crusty GT in the Midwest), than be crushed as scrap.
Also I grabbed a screenshot of some of the owners work so you guys can get a perspective of his abilities.
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What a tremendously disappointing ending to a nicely optioned C body. I've searched through at least 3 other threads that have been posted about this Monaco, and it sure looked solid underneath.View attachment 236393 View attachment 236392 View attachment 236391 Is the rolling shell still available? I'd rather see someone use it to rebody something (like that crusty GT in the Midwest), than be crushed as scrap.
Also I grabbed a screenshot of some of the owners work so you guys can get a perspective of his abilities.View attachment 236390
Rolling shell is gone and never to return. I think the guys an asshat the more I hear and see. Lower your f*#$ing prices and maybe you'd sell sh*t instead of scrapping it. Dumb *** must think he's a big shot cause he can buy stuff, only to let it all go to crap. Oh yeah, and put the damn car back together to sell it. He must be used to rust free creampuffs.
 
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