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yes, Q5 (or previously LL1) is pretty rare on B-Bodys. It was even dropped for 1970 on B-Bodys, just like A4. You could still get Q5 on C-Bodys in 1970.
Carsten

Actually '67-'68 LL1 is a different color than '69 up Q5.

The LL1 is darker. I have had a '68 Fury and a '68 Monaco in LL1 and currently have a '69 Road Runner in Q5.

Here are a couple of pictures that I took myself, with the same digital camera...

'68 LL1
Copy of 68 GTX-RR (1).jpg


'69 Q5
69 Road Runner (992).jpg

Copy of 68 GTX-RR (1).jpg


69 Road Runner (992).jpg
 
Actually '67-'68 LL1 is a different color than '69 up Q5.

The LL1 is darker. I have had a '68 Fury and a '68 Monaco in LL1 and currently have a '69 Road Runner in Q5.

Here are a couple of pictures that I took myself, with the same digital camera...

'68 LL1
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'69 Q5
View attachment 12627

sure LL1 is different than Q5. I was just saying that turquoise is rare on all 68-69 B-Bodies. The 69 Q5 is different to the 70/71, too as it is "FQ5" meaning it got a new "mixture" in 1970.

Carsten
 
yes, Q5 (or previously LL1) is pretty rare on B-Bodys. It was even dropped for 1970 on B-Bodys, just like A4. You could still get Q5 on C-Bodys in 1970.
Carsten

"Previously" means at an earlier time...Stating Q5 at an earlier time was LL1.
"Is" is singular, as is "It was"... I read this as you meaning one color, as anyone would.

If you thought of them as separate/different colors you could have stated...

Q5 and LL1 are pretty rare on B-bodies or simply that turquoise overall was rare on B-bodies.

sure LL1 is different than Q5. I was just saying that turquoise is rare on all 68-69 B-Bodies. The 69 Q5 is different to the 70/71, too as it is "FQ5" meaning it got a new "mixture" in 1970.

The added digit in '70 up codes are a change in the way Chrysler listed their codes, not a change or mixture in the colors.

X9 and TX9 are both black, and black is black is black... No variances. B5 and EB5 are the same color from '69 to '70 as are most of the colors from '69 to '70. Check the charts...

There was no Q5 in '70, but it returned in '71 as yet another different turquoise.

If a customer insisted badly he could get his B&E-body in A4, too. But the fender tag/broadcastsheet wouldn't say EA4, just special order paint code ("999") which only means special order paint and does not explain which one it really is.

It is my understanding that 999 is a code for 3 special order colors in '69 being Bahama yellow, Vitamin C orange and Ralley green.

Here's a site that you may find interesting...

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=Chrysler&year=1969&rows=50

1969
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1970
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"Previously" means at an earlier time...Stating Q5 at an earlier time was LL1.
"Is" is singular, as is "It was"... I read this as you meaning one color, as anyone would.

If you thought of them as separate/different colors you could have stated...

Q5 and LL1 are pretty rare on B-bodies or simply that turquoise overall was rare on B-bodies.

you are right I didn't made the statement clear enough for anyone.
It shows sometimes that english isn't my mother language


The added digit in '70 up codes are a change in the way Chrysler listed their codes, not a change or mixture in the colors.

X9 and TX9 are both black, and black is black is black... No variances. B5 and EB5 are the same color from '69 to '70 as are most of the colors from '69 to '70. Check the charts...

In 1970 they changed the code from two digits (on the fender tag and broadcastsheet) from two to three digits.
A new mixture ("new colour") in 1970 is indicated if an "F" shows up in the front. Like FC7, FJ5, FY1 (in example) are new colours for 1970. Those who were 1969 colours do have an "E" in the front, like EB5, EK2 or EA4 (available on C-bodys only in 1970). TX9 (in 1970) on the tag means it was first used in 1962. B5 is the same as EB5 in 1970 (because "E" indicates a 69 colour), it got a new mix in 1971 and became GB5.

There was no Q5 in '70, but it returned in '71 as yet another different turquoise.

There was no kind of "Q5" in the beginning 1970, it got introduced later on and was used -unchanged- in 1971, too. This is why it is FQ5 (check a 1971 colour&trim selector)


It is my understanding that 999 is a code for 3 special order colors in '69 being Bahama yellow, Vitamin C orange and Ralley green.

no, that is wrong. A "99" code is used in 1969. In 1970 it is "999". It means a non regular colour.
Bahama yellow often show on the tags as "96" or "96E", too. Depends on the plants, too
The Dodges show "F6" for the green, the Plymouths show "97" "97E" and "99". The green on the Plymouths is slightly different then the green from the Dodges.
Vitman C is later stamped as "k2" on a lot of tags but the colour was only found on Plymouths in 1969. The other way round you can find EV2 orange only on Dodges in 1969.




no, I don't find it interesting. It has too many missing items and details. Be careful if you work with paintcharts because they always just represent what was out there at the time of the print. Or the colour maker has in its books. The often do miss colours. The 1970 sheet you are showing is not only missing FQ5 but also FM3 (panther pink/moulin rouge) and FJ6 (sassys grass green/green go).

Carsten
 
Thanks to both of you, very informative. I just learned a lot about color codes!
 
In 1970 they changed the code from two digits (on the fender tag and broadcastsheet) from two to three digits.
A new mixture ("new colour") in 1970 is indicated if an "F" shows up in the front. Like FC7, FJ5, FY1 (in example) are new colours for 1970. Those who were 1969 colours do have an "E" in the front, like EB5, EK2 or EA4 (available on C-bodys only in 1970). TX9 (in 1970) on the tag means it was first used in 1962. B5 is the same as EB5 in 1970 (because "E" indicates a 69 colour), it got a new mix in 1971 and became GB5.

That is interesting. Thanks, I never knew what the 1st digit was for. I will have to research it further some time. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I didn't realize the 1st digit was a year designation.

I will have to disagree with the X9/TX9 though as my black '68 300 has BB1 for a paint code and every code that I found going back to '62 comes up as "B" and I'm certain that there were black cars before '62 so....? There is only one black and it is black.

Something that may interest some here... I learned recently on the '68 codes that the last digit is for mono tone or 2 tone. My '68 Satellite is WU2, as it had a white painted top.

There was no kind of "Q5" in the beginning 1970, it got introduced later on and was used -unchanged- in 1971, too. This is why it is FQ5 (check a 1971 colour&trim selector)

I have searched extensively and find no Q5 for a '70 model anywhere, and when it reappears in '71 it is a different color... '69 Ditzler #13534 and '71-'72 ditzler #2301.

no, that is wrong. A "99" code is used in 1969. In 1970 it is "999". It means a non regular colour.

I'm finding several sources that say that I'm correct on this point... See attachment... And again in the link...

Bahama yellow often show on the tags as "96" or "96E", too. Depends on the plants, too

One of my '69 Road Runners has a 96 data plate code for Bahama Yellow.

The Dodges show "F6" for the green, the Plymouths show "97" "97E" and "99". The green on the Plymouths is slightly different then the green from the Dodges.

My research shows that both Dodge and Plymouth have the same Ditzler code #44032

Vitman C is later stamped as "k2" on a lot of tags but the colour was only found on Plymouths in 1969. The other way round you can find EV2 orange only on Dodges in 1969.

My mistake, the 999 orange was different than the K2 Vitamin C orange.

no, I don't find it interesting. It has too many missing items and details. Be careful if you work with paintcharts because they always just represent what was out there at the time of the print. Or the colour maker has in its books. The often do miss colours. The 1970 sheet you are showing is not only missing FQ5 but also FM3 (panther pink/moulin rouge) and FJ6 (sassys grass green/green go).

I was referring to the link, not the chip book pages. The link has 8 pages for '69 and 9 pages for '70... looks like a fair information source to me...?

FQ5 is missing from every '70 chart, chipbook and data plate, because I firmly believe it was not a 1970 model color. Possibly made in late '70 for '71 models? I guess I may change my mind if I ever find it, but I'm not holding my breath.

Here is the link that I was referring to...

http://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?manuf=Chrysler&year=1969&page=2&rows=50

paint codes 1969.jpg

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It is a paintchart for 1969 Plymouth but look at the printdate of the chart down in the lowest corner (to the right). It is the "revised 2/70" version, printed in february 1970. Because of being printed in the time when the 1970 colours were already out (and the new coding scheme) they used the current special order code "999".

I got some 1969 cheets here (03/69 ie) they just show the two diggit code for the mid year colours
 
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