Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
Ok, I was under the impression that the order number is on the data plate, and it's the sequence number that you need. Why won't Chrysler Historical release the info?
Lost my vin tag and title.
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Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
This site claims that the SO number is on the radiator core support, driver's side.
MMC Detroit
"1965-68 : Have the S.O. number on the upper portion of the driver's side radiator core support."
MMC Detroit
"1965-68 : Have the S.O. number on the upper portion of the driver's side radiator core support."
rexus31
Senior Member
My Fender Tag doesn't have the SO number on it nor is it on the core support.
Did they put a stamping under the trunk seal, or was that started later?
No, I thought so to, I checked other cars they don't match the vin tag.
My Fender Tag doesn't have the SO number on it nor is it on the core support.
Samplingman
Old Man with a Hat
I think that is a '68 and newer thing. It still bothers me that Chrysler Historical won't help. Are they only useful for the B and E body crowd? Isn't there a member here that has ties to CH?
I'll post the data tags in a few....
300rag
It's Not Going to Shift Itself
The problem is that they will not release info to anyone other than the owner. That is why you have to supply them with a copy of the title, and current registration in your name.
correct. my Sequence number doesnt match my VIN.
at first i thought i had someone elses VIN, until i decoded the data plate and did some research in regards to data plates/vins matching.
SO has nothing to do with the VIN it is the order number assigned the build before the VIN is assigned. 69coronetRT has the best explanation of this system in another thread...
rexus31
Senior Member
What I meant to say is the number on my VIN isn't on the Fender Tag. Your best bet is going to reach out to the family of the person you got them from to see if they have any paperwork on the car(s); an old registration card, insurance card or receipt with the VIN on it. Other than that, I think you're pretty much SOL.
Good info also find out where they serviced it. Most garages work on vin system id's nowadays. Times like this I'm glad im in Alberta - Title we don't need no stinkin title lol. As long as the VIN you give the DMV (they don't look at it on the car) was registered once upon a time in Alberta no questions asked...
Correct, if I have to I'll become a member of the Historical Soc-, and get it myself..lol
But Chrysler records know what seq- number is assigned to what vin...
78Brougham
"Chump"
Rumor has it that you can get a title through the state of Montana for just about anything... but you'll pay dearly,to the tune of around $500. But it seems to me that your putting the cart before the horse as it were. Those cars are pretty rough and will take years and huge amounts of cash to restore. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to raise the bullshit flag here 
because i find it hard to believe that anyone in their right mind would remove a vin tag from any car... Period! Much less pry it off and store it in a file cabinet. There is no conceivable reason to pry off a welded on vin tag from a car, or cars in this case, especially in the condition those are in, for any reason, unless something suspicious is going on.. just sayin...
because i find it hard to believe that anyone in their right mind would remove a vin tag from any car... Period! Much less pry it off and store it in a file cabinet. There is no conceivable reason to pry off a welded on vin tag from a car, or cars in this case, especially in the condition those are in, for any reason, unless something suspicious is going on.. just sayin...
IMO, this thread isn't getting the job done... the titling process is different in each state, the federal pressure put on the states around the time of "cash for clunkers" made it much more difficult to work with missing or open titles everywhere. 10 years ago there were lots of companies who would help get you a title, they advertised in all the magazines, most closed shop or faded into the background. Good news is it seems to be lightening up a little and I see there may be a possibility for you to get help.
I am no expert, but I see 2 possible courses of action. The cheaper route would be if you can find the rightful owner(s) of the car and get them to apply for lost titles and then transfer them to you legally. Once you are the title holder, covering up the VIN plate issue shouldn't be too hard with a repop (legality of this is another issue, but I get it..). Since the owner is deceased, you would need the rightful heir to help, like his spouse or children... It is a big can of worms you are opening here and they do have the right to take the cars if it all goes sideways.
The second way I see is to pay a private agency to help. The best outcome this will most likely result in will be state issued VIN plates and numbers and usable, but branded titles. I would expect this to cost at least a grand for each car... but it would be the only fully legal way I can see, and I don't know how many problems it will bring to the surface. 2 links to look at:
SOS - Titling and Registering Vehicles
Michigan Auto Title Services - Auto Title - Bonded Title - Surety Bonds - Tax Registration
It may or may not help to understand the more difficult titling came about under the guise of preventing "washed titles" after so many flood damaged cars from hurricane Katrina where sold throughout the country... but I personally believe the same clowns behind the "clunkers" fiasco helped push it as a way to kill off the tremendous numbers of "open title" old cars out there... IMO, this is tree huggers trying to kill off a little more of the old car hobby.
For future reference, while I know there are a lot of folks who still think they can fool around with titles as easily as they could in the past... Please don't do it anymore, it tends to kill cars. The only reasons I can see to leave an open title is tax evasion or curbstoning, which is pretty much tax evasion... Get all cars titled into your name from now on and you won't risk losing them. Around here, an overzealous code enforcement officer could cause you to lose an unregistered car on your property.
I am no expert, but I see 2 possible courses of action. The cheaper route would be if you can find the rightful owner(s) of the car and get them to apply for lost titles and then transfer them to you legally. Once you are the title holder, covering up the VIN plate issue shouldn't be too hard with a repop (legality of this is another issue, but I get it..). Since the owner is deceased, you would need the rightful heir to help, like his spouse or children... It is a big can of worms you are opening here and they do have the right to take the cars if it all goes sideways.
The second way I see is to pay a private agency to help. The best outcome this will most likely result in will be state issued VIN plates and numbers and usable, but branded titles. I would expect this to cost at least a grand for each car... but it would be the only fully legal way I can see, and I don't know how many problems it will bring to the surface. 2 links to look at:
SOS - Titling and Registering Vehicles
Michigan Auto Title Services - Auto Title - Bonded Title - Surety Bonds - Tax Registration
It may or may not help to understand the more difficult titling came about under the guise of preventing "washed titles" after so many flood damaged cars from hurricane Katrina where sold throughout the country... but I personally believe the same clowns behind the "clunkers" fiasco helped push it as a way to kill off the tremendous numbers of "open title" old cars out there... IMO, this is tree huggers trying to kill off a little more of the old car hobby.
For future reference, while I know there are a lot of folks who still think they can fool around with titles as easily as they could in the past... Please don't do it anymore, it tends to kill cars. The only reasons I can see to leave an open title is tax evasion or curbstoning, which is pretty much tax evasion... Get all cars titled into your name from now on and you won't risk losing them. Around here, an overzealous code enforcement officer could cause you to lose an unregistered car on your property.
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