commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Yep, that's the one for me!!!
Damn that is as sexy as Angelina Jovie in a latex suit.
Damn that is as sexy as Angelina Jovie in a latex suit.
Scenicruisin'..?
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commando1
Old Man with a Hat
I think this big ol guy is still for sale right near me.
70bigblockdodge
Old Man with a Hat
All this bus talk has me searching bus for sale sites.
twostick
Senior Member
Well well. a guy told me such a thing existed. A Mexico company's -- Sultana - version of the Scenicruiser. The Sultana Panoramico 4.
Looks to be (my Spanish is rusty - couldnt quite follow the websites) a 1950-ish(?) version of the Scenicruiser, complete with 8V71's but with four wheel steering. Examples remain around today as shown in the second pic.
http://sultabus.blogspot.com/
I am not sure about its mechanicals, or anything else...but four turning wheels seems a bit excessive AND unreliable and impossible to find parts for??
Anybody know anything about the Sultana product line\ and/or this bus in particular?
Looks to be (my Spanish is rusty - couldnt quite follow the websites) a 1950-ish(?) version of the Scenicruiser, complete with 8V71's but with four wheel steering. Examples remain around today as shown in the second pic.
http://sultabus.blogspot.com/
I am not sure about its mechanicals, or anything else...but four turning wheels seems a bit excessive AND unreliable and impossible to find parts for??
Anybody know anything about the Sultana product line\ and/or this bus in particular?
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
Thats friggin cool
in a way, yes, i must admit to same feeling. :icon_pirat:
it surely isnt something you're gonna see everyday i dont think which adds to the "panache" of owning one of these vintage cruisers.
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
whats the turn radius on that thing?
i'm using my last working brain cells this night trying figure out more about it. :happy8:
Its 40 ft long, in its first versions at least. it appears to have gotten longer over the production run that started in 1963 apparently..not the 1950's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZvFSpF6_fo
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
That is a delicious bus.........
the Scenicruiser is my long time gal...but this Panoramico is like her intriguing attractive cousin.
She catches your eye but you know she's "high maintenance" and you'd wind up drivin' each other nuts before she breaks your heart and leaves you in a penniless heap .. plus you'd lose your best gal too.
seriously tho im gonna look harder at this Sultana product line. may be other cool coaches in there ..like Flxible.
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polara71
Old Man with a Hat
Great way to put it
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Sounds like an actual Mexican mistress.
Panoramico spec's - partially. Eaton, Spicer, DD, Fuller motive parts...that' cant be bad can it?
Anyway, before three days ago, i NEVER heard of "Sultana" -- except that Civil War steamboat that blew up at the end of the war (as an aside, actually a fascinating but obviously tragic story: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/05/0501_river5.html)
Will see what else turns up and if I can find someone in the United States (CA, AZ, NM, TX maybe given proximity to Mexico?) with one of these coaches on the road.
Anyway, before three days ago, i NEVER heard of "Sultana" -- except that Civil War steamboat that blew up at the end of the war (as an aside, actually a fascinating but obviously tragic story: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/05/0501_river5.html)
Will see what else turns up and if I can find someone in the United States (CA, AZ, NM, TX maybe given proximity to Mexico?) with one of these coaches on the road.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Hard enough to maintain a 50 YO real ScenicCruiser, you want to try and maintain a Mexican clone?
naw man...not trying to do TWO of these things. just one will be sufficient :yes:
all i am doing now is trying to learn some stuff about another cool old coach that (1) I didn't know even existed before a few days ago (but now that I found it I like it) and (2) create options/ideas for myself in case i gotta go to "Plan B".
The Sultana's quad steering setup (on top of unspecified/unknowns like cracking frames, lack of parts, etc. if any) is the thing most bugging me. In addition to powertrain, it seems the next most likely thing to leave me on the side of road.
My heart is set on a vintage bus though. Interesting link below...longish .. but something similar I read 20 years ago is what planted the seed (excerpt below).
http://www.technomadia.com/2011/06/why-a-bus/
So no "Winnebagos" (nothing wrong with 'em, just like my preference for a '72 Imperial over a '72 DeVille hands down) .. cuz everybody has those.
Only a couple hundred Scenicruisers left in the world..cool, unique, and mine :sunny:
all i am doing now is trying to learn some stuff about another cool old coach that (1) I didn't know even existed before a few days ago (but now that I found it I like it) and (2) create options/ideas for myself in case i gotta go to "Plan B".
The Sultana's quad steering setup (on top of unspecified/unknowns like cracking frames, lack of parts, etc. if any) is the thing most bugging me. In addition to powertrain, it seems the next most likely thing to leave me on the side of road.
My heart is set on a vintage bus though. Interesting link below...longish .. but something similar I read 20 years ago is what planted the seed (excerpt below).
http://www.technomadia.com/2011/06/why-a-bus/
A typical RV is designed to be used a few weeks or months a year, and driven only a few thousands of miles in that time. A bus on the other hand is engineered for constant commercial service – built to carry heavy loads of passengers and baggage, and to go millions of miles.
Buses, by definition, are built to last. And buses being used as RV’s are not being pushed anywhere close to their limits.
The ultra-high-end of the RV market has always used buses as a foundation, with many companies specializing in custom bus conversions catering to a clientele looking to spend whatever it takes to “get the best.
Wealthy retirees, rock stars, and touring bands have all sprung for custom buses, with price tags to match. Ten, twenty, or even thirty years later, these buses that once cost a fortune are selling used for a fraction of their original cost.
But unlike a traditional RV, as long as it was well cared for, an older bus still has a relatively long life ahead of it.
Buses, by definition, are built to last. And buses being used as RV’s are not being pushed anywhere close to their limits.
The ultra-high-end of the RV market has always used buses as a foundation, with many companies specializing in custom bus conversions catering to a clientele looking to spend whatever it takes to “get the best.
Wealthy retirees, rock stars, and touring bands have all sprung for custom buses, with price tags to match. Ten, twenty, or even thirty years later, these buses that once cost a fortune are selling used for a fraction of their original cost.
But unlike a traditional RV, as long as it was well cared for, an older bus still has a relatively long life ahead of it.
Buses used to look cool – with rounded edges and silver sides. At some point over the past few decades buses morphed into sleek but rather dull looking boxes.
Vintage buses do have their challenges however. While the diesel engines of these things were fairly standard for buses, trucks, boats and more – some of these buses just have parts that are made of 'unobtanium'.
And of course, time is not always kind. Corrosion and rust are issues to be on the look out for.
Vintage buses do have their challenges however. While the diesel engines of these things were fairly standard for buses, trucks, boats and more – some of these buses just have parts that are made of 'unobtanium'.
And of course, time is not always kind. Corrosion and rust are issues to be on the look out for.
So no "Winnebagos" (nothing wrong with 'em, just like my preference for a '72 Imperial over a '72 DeVille hands down) .. cuz everybody has those.
Only a couple hundred Scenicruisers left in the world..cool, unique, and mine :sunny:
These Eagles (the "other guy's" buses: Continental Trailways) from the 1960's-early 1980's 's are also slick.
The old time look, but easier to update/upgrade/maintain of course than any Scenicruiser. Very popular as motor home conversions it turns out and relatively affordable.
Examples (Description, then photos of bus under)
http://www.tejascoach.com/consignbus.html
1977 Eagle- $52K
• 8V92 Turbo Detroit Diesel engine with only 10,000 miles since major overhaul
• 740 Allison Automatic Transmission
• Power Steering
• Fullsize Rear Bed & Bedroom, 2 Bunk Beds, Sofa Bed in the front room. TV, VCR, Stero, CD Player
• Parquet Floors in Kitchen with Carpet in Living Room, Hall, and Bedroom
• New Refrigerator, Microwave, Stove, Oven, Convection Oven and Sink
• 2 New Oak Pantries, Shower, Bathroom Sink, and Toilet
• 2 Full Basement Bays, 13 KW Diesel Generator, Inverter/Charger with 4 New Deep Cycle House Batteries, 50 Amp Service
• 165 gallon Fresh Water Tank, 85 gallon Black Water Tank and 90 gallon Gray Water Tank, 300 gallon Diesel Tank
• Two basement type A/Cs, Webasto Heater, 11 gallon electric hot water heater
• One Inch, Aluminum backed Styrofoam Insulation, Raised Roof, 20 foot Awning
• Radial tires on Alcoa Wheels, has Trailer Hitch
• Excellent Condition
1969 Silver Eagle: sold for $40K
• Silver Eagle 40' Bus Conversion • Converted to 1996 standards • Roof raised 9 inches
• 318 Detroit motor-3000 only miles • New 740 Allison Transmission 24.5 Bridgestone Radial Tires • Peterbilt Polished Aluminum Wheels
• Electric Windshield Wipers • Electric Ramco Heated Mirrors • Back-Up Camera • Hadley Horns • Custom Headlights
• Powertek 12kw generator with Kubota engine 200 hours • Six house Interstate batteries-brand new • 2500 watt Trace Inverter
• Furniture • Leather Flex-steel driver’s captain chair • 2 leather swivel recliners • Leather couch that converts to a Bed
• Kitchen-Ceramic tile • Convection Microwave • Recessed Propane Cook Top • Full Side-by-Side Refrigerator with Ice Maker on door • Corian Countertops and Sink
• Bath-Full Size Shower with Tile Walls • Commode • Vanity • Sink • Closet with Washer/Dryer Combo (Splendid brand)
• Bedroom with Full Size Bed • Closets for Hanging Clothes.
• Rope Lighting around Windows and Mirrored Ceilings, Day and Night Shades
• 20 ft. Side Roll-Out Canopy • Slide-Out Picnic Table out of Bay • Satellite-Trac Vision In Motion System • Silver Siding with Caf� style Doors
•Spray Foam Insulation • Canopies on All Windows
• HVAC- 2 Basement Units • 100 Gal fresh water • 100 Gal gray water • 50 Gal black water
1981 Eagle- $200K
[SIZE=-1]Conversion Features: Converted in 2001, 52,000 miles since conversion 6.5 to 7 MPG
102" Slideout, fluted aluminum skin new, cafe style bay doors, A&E 20' Awning and A&E Slidetopper over slideout, Dual pane Peninsula Glass windows, Rosen Products "Protector Sunvisor System" (pilot & copilot), Big Foot Hydraulic Levelers (Quadra Mfg), Indirect lighting in living room, kitchen and bed room, Pergo hardwood floor in kitchen, bath & dining area, Day/Nite Shades throughout coach
Drive Train: Repowered with 400 hp Big Cam 3 Cummins - 855 cu in with only 77000 total miles, valves and injectors tuned, Allison HT 740 automatic transmission removed inspected seals replaced at 24,400 miles. Following items less than 13,000 miles since replaced: Radiator cleaned, Differential gears replaced with 3:36 ratio, all new bearings in 3rd member and Drop Box, and 8 New 11 x 24.5 tires, Alcoa aluminum wheels, Ross Power steering, 140 gal fuel tank
Pilot Co-Pilot Area: Tilt/telescoping steering wheel, Cruise control KC2500 Cruise King, Eagle Ramco heated/remote mirrors, Electric w/s wipers, Inst panel by "Custom Instrument Panels", Audiovox AOC-75 rear camera w/5" x 4" LCD flat-panel color screen on dash, Cobra Warrior 29 LTD Classic CB Radio, Flex Steel pilot & co-pilot chairs both Ultra Leather - Pilot chair has 6 way power & Co-pilot chair is slider, recliner w/power lumbar
Aux Power: 7.5 kw Onan 'Quite Diesel' generator model HDKAJ, 2 ea 100w Siemans Solar Electric Modules, 2 ea 3000w Trace Inverters w/RC7GS remote controls, 22 ea dry type Marathon M12V90F deep cycle house batteries HVAC: Two DuoTherm 600 Series Penguin 13,500 btu roof A/C's (living room & bed room), One Duo Therm Park Model 39115 basement A/C 14000 btu (under front dash), 2 ea Fantastic Vents Model 6000A
Water System: 200 gallon fresh water, 135 gallon gray water, 85 gallon black water, Suburban Model SF42 furnace (42000 btu propane), Suburban Model SW10DE water heater (10 gal - gas/elec - direct ignition), Sealand china toilet Traveler Model 2010
Entertainment Features: King-dome Automatic Satellite System w/RCA Satellite receiver, Winegard Roadstar omnidirectional antenna UHF/VHF, Bose surround sound - Lifestyle 25 Series II system, Multi-CD (12) Control Highpower Cassette Player w/AM/FM Tuner Pioneer Model KEH-P5900, JVC Model HR-VP653U Hi-Fi VCR, DVD player - Phillips Model DVD710AT,25" Zenith color T/V in front - 13" Sony color T/V in bedroom
Kitchen Features: Sharp Carousel Micro/Convection Oven, Suburban Model SD3 cooktop (propane 3 burner), New Dimensions Dometic Refrig, Corian counters kitchen & bath room - Corian dining table w/leaf
Berthing Features: 2 Joey Beds 90" x 52" and 60" x 24", Queen size Select Comfort Ultra Series - Pedestal Bed, All Flex Steel furniture w/custom fabric, 7' Easybed Couch and 2 rocker-recliner Calpinlite Wall Hugger chairs, [/SIZE]
The old time look, but easier to update/upgrade/maintain of course than any Scenicruiser. Very popular as motor home conversions it turns out and relatively affordable.
Examples (Description, then photos of bus under)
http://www.tejascoach.com/consignbus.html
1977 Eagle- $52K
• 8V92 Turbo Detroit Diesel engine with only 10,000 miles since major overhaul
• 740 Allison Automatic Transmission
• Power Steering
• Fullsize Rear Bed & Bedroom, 2 Bunk Beds, Sofa Bed in the front room. TV, VCR, Stero, CD Player
• Parquet Floors in Kitchen with Carpet in Living Room, Hall, and Bedroom
• New Refrigerator, Microwave, Stove, Oven, Convection Oven and Sink
• 2 New Oak Pantries, Shower, Bathroom Sink, and Toilet
• 2 Full Basement Bays, 13 KW Diesel Generator, Inverter/Charger with 4 New Deep Cycle House Batteries, 50 Amp Service
• 165 gallon Fresh Water Tank, 85 gallon Black Water Tank and 90 gallon Gray Water Tank, 300 gallon Diesel Tank
• Two basement type A/Cs, Webasto Heater, 11 gallon electric hot water heater
• One Inch, Aluminum backed Styrofoam Insulation, Raised Roof, 20 foot Awning
• Radial tires on Alcoa Wheels, has Trailer Hitch
• Excellent Condition
1969 Silver Eagle: sold for $40K
• Silver Eagle 40' Bus Conversion • Converted to 1996 standards • Roof raised 9 inches
• 318 Detroit motor-3000 only miles • New 740 Allison Transmission 24.5 Bridgestone Radial Tires • Peterbilt Polished Aluminum Wheels
• Electric Windshield Wipers • Electric Ramco Heated Mirrors • Back-Up Camera • Hadley Horns • Custom Headlights
• Powertek 12kw generator with Kubota engine 200 hours • Six house Interstate batteries-brand new • 2500 watt Trace Inverter
• Furniture • Leather Flex-steel driver’s captain chair • 2 leather swivel recliners • Leather couch that converts to a Bed
• Kitchen-Ceramic tile • Convection Microwave • Recessed Propane Cook Top • Full Side-by-Side Refrigerator with Ice Maker on door • Corian Countertops and Sink
• Bath-Full Size Shower with Tile Walls • Commode • Vanity • Sink • Closet with Washer/Dryer Combo (Splendid brand)
• Bedroom with Full Size Bed • Closets for Hanging Clothes.
• Rope Lighting around Windows and Mirrored Ceilings, Day and Night Shades
• 20 ft. Side Roll-Out Canopy • Slide-Out Picnic Table out of Bay • Satellite-Trac Vision In Motion System • Silver Siding with Caf� style Doors
•Spray Foam Insulation • Canopies on All Windows
• HVAC- 2 Basement Units • 100 Gal fresh water • 100 Gal gray water • 50 Gal black water
1981 Eagle- $200K
[SIZE=-1]Conversion Features: Converted in 2001, 52,000 miles since conversion 6.5 to 7 MPG
102" Slideout, fluted aluminum skin new, cafe style bay doors, A&E 20' Awning and A&E Slidetopper over slideout, Dual pane Peninsula Glass windows, Rosen Products "Protector Sunvisor System" (pilot & copilot), Big Foot Hydraulic Levelers (Quadra Mfg), Indirect lighting in living room, kitchen and bed room, Pergo hardwood floor in kitchen, bath & dining area, Day/Nite Shades throughout coach
Drive Train: Repowered with 400 hp Big Cam 3 Cummins - 855 cu in with only 77000 total miles, valves and injectors tuned, Allison HT 740 automatic transmission removed inspected seals replaced at 24,400 miles. Following items less than 13,000 miles since replaced: Radiator cleaned, Differential gears replaced with 3:36 ratio, all new bearings in 3rd member and Drop Box, and 8 New 11 x 24.5 tires, Alcoa aluminum wheels, Ross Power steering, 140 gal fuel tank
Pilot Co-Pilot Area: Tilt/telescoping steering wheel, Cruise control KC2500 Cruise King, Eagle Ramco heated/remote mirrors, Electric w/s wipers, Inst panel by "Custom Instrument Panels", Audiovox AOC-75 rear camera w/5" x 4" LCD flat-panel color screen on dash, Cobra Warrior 29 LTD Classic CB Radio, Flex Steel pilot & co-pilot chairs both Ultra Leather - Pilot chair has 6 way power & Co-pilot chair is slider, recliner w/power lumbar
Aux Power: 7.5 kw Onan 'Quite Diesel' generator model HDKAJ, 2 ea 100w Siemans Solar Electric Modules, 2 ea 3000w Trace Inverters w/RC7GS remote controls, 22 ea dry type Marathon M12V90F deep cycle house batteries HVAC: Two DuoTherm 600 Series Penguin 13,500 btu roof A/C's (living room & bed room), One Duo Therm Park Model 39115 basement A/C 14000 btu (under front dash), 2 ea Fantastic Vents Model 6000A
Water System: 200 gallon fresh water, 135 gallon gray water, 85 gallon black water, Suburban Model SF42 furnace (42000 btu propane), Suburban Model SW10DE water heater (10 gal - gas/elec - direct ignition), Sealand china toilet Traveler Model 2010
Entertainment Features: King-dome Automatic Satellite System w/RCA Satellite receiver, Winegard Roadstar omnidirectional antenna UHF/VHF, Bose surround sound - Lifestyle 25 Series II system, Multi-CD (12) Control Highpower Cassette Player w/AM/FM Tuner Pioneer Model KEH-P5900, JVC Model HR-VP653U Hi-Fi VCR, DVD player - Phillips Model DVD710AT,25" Zenith color T/V in front - 13" Sony color T/V in bedroom
Kitchen Features: Sharp Carousel Micro/Convection Oven, Suburban Model SD3 cooktop (propane 3 burner), New Dimensions Dometic Refrig, Corian counters kitchen & bath room - Corian dining table w/leaf
Berthing Features: 2 Joey Beds 90" x 52" and 60" x 24", Queen size Select Comfort Ultra Series - Pedestal Bed, All Flex Steel furniture w/custom fabric, 7' Easybed Couch and 2 rocker-recliner Calpinlite Wall Hugger chairs, [/SIZE]
twostick
Senior Member
Be careful with an Eagle as they have notorious rust issues that are hard to see and critical even in a coach as nice as those.
They are a cool coach with some unique mechanicals like rubber suspension.
Kevin
They are a cool coach with some unique mechanicals like rubber suspension.
Kevin
polara71
Old Man with a Hat
I seem to remember Waylon Jennings having an Eagle tour bus.
commando1
Old Man with a Hat
If only you could graft a Scenicruiser nose onto a new Provost.
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