Scenicruisin'..?

I'm not going this route, but stumbled across this site. Filled with "RV Alternatives", its called "UK Hippy". Literally 1,000's of pics.

All those "unusual" RVs (looking like Jed Clampett's Ozark's house on wheels) we see? They are all there and more.

UK Hippy - Really cool mobile homes/campervans

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Under the hood of the Red Bull Scenicruiser. They called it an 8v892 .. is that the same as a Detroit 8v92?

anyway, got it in Dec 2014 they say.

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Dunno how I missed this one. Its (MCI's are here, but not this model) not in this thread and I never saw one that I recall before today.

The 1957 MCI Courier 96 "Skyview". 35ft long, 4-71 DD, five speed Spicer trans. Was for sale three years ago for $15K (Canadian) outta BC

$15,000 · 1957 MCI BUS

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Here's another one that sold (they blocked out the skylights -- giving that undesirable "dungeon" look :().

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This thread has quieted down too much. Need to throw another log on the fire

til I get the bus, i guess it'll just be "episodic".

i keep looking for cool rigs that would challenge PD-4501 for me. .. like this '57 MCI today. I like it .. with a polished skin, some Alcoas all around, modern interior and powertrain ..i'd tour the USA in it proudly.

and in a weird way, the size and cost of these vehicles "curbs mythusiam" for owning 4-5 of 'em. not'enough "orange money" to go around :)
 
So, on your overall time-line, where are you at here on Feb. 16th, 2017?
What are you closing in on.
I'm asking with interedt because my closeest bud down here is basically in your parallel universe.
 
:)

i gave myself 10 years -age 55 to 65 -- to get this done. im not 60 yet.

u guys may have accelerated that in a way because buying one vs rebuilding a shell looks like best course.

anytine in 2018-2020 is most likely. i just wont be "retired" yet.

i still gotta work till age 65 ... with or without the $250k budget on this deal. but it seems like i can do fine on a 1/3 of that budget and get a cool, reliable rig. dont need a Newell or a Prevost. an alumunum "slabbie" is it.

in some universe, i'm stinking rich and own 10 of 'em already, and me and 7 of 9 (without her Borg stuff attached) are sippin' pina coladas while nude sun bathing on our private beach ... alas not in this one :)
 
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Going back to post #510, anybody know anything about these 50's era MCI Skyviews? The Courier 95 (96?) Series, made from 1953 to 1960.

They had one DD 4-71 and afive speed Spicers .. what's a good repower combo for THIS model if NOT one of the ones in this thread (its too long to search through, but the new DD's (Daimler's? -- when did that happen?) come up a lot, backed by Allisons, followed by Cummins mills)?

Do I need to stick with roof-mounted A/C (I prefer the cleaner roof look) with THIS particular model? (cantflip gave me a primer at post #233).

I have not uncovered that many RV-converted Skyviews .. the same two or three keep coming up. must be a reasons .. simple as they're gone. But why?

thanks for any help. Like the Mexico-built Sultana's (below, and now outta view due to the steering system reliability) this Skyview is intriguing.

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Dunno how I missed this one. Its (MCI's are here, but not this model) not in this thread and I never saw one that I recall before today.

The 1957 MCI Courier 96 "Skyview". 35ft long, 4-71 DD, five speed Spicer trans. Was for sale three years ago for $15K (Canadian) outta BC

$15,000 · 1957 MCI BUS

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Here's another one that sold (they blocked out the skylights -- giving that undesirable "dungeon" look :().

1957 MCI Courier 96 Skyview Bus 6245
FWIW... I think those "skyview" window would be a love/hate thing to live with. You would need sunshades for sure during certain daylight hours and I wonder how many leak problems you would face. They certainly get lots of points for being pretty busses.

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Going back to post #510, anybody know anything about these 50's era MCI Skyviews? The Courier 95 (96?) Series, made from 1953 to 1960.

They had one DD 4-71 and afive speed Spicers .. what's a good repower combo for THIS model if NOT one of the ones in this thread (its too long to search through, but the new DD's (Daimler's? -- when did that happen?) come up a lot, backed by Allisons, followed by Cummins mills)?

Do I need to stick with roof-mounted A/C (I prefer the cleaner roof look) with THIS particular model? (cantflip gave me a primer at post #233).

I have not uncovered that many RV-converted Skyviews .. the same two or three keep coming up. must be a reasons .. simple as they're gone. But why?

thanks for any help. Like the Mexico-built Sultana's (below, and now outta view due to the steering system reliability) this Skyview is intriguing.

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IMO, with the nice budget you have mentioned... you could build almost anything. If a pro shop was doing it for you, you will come up short on funds. Having to keep an engineer on staff and all of the other liabilities that would go with trying to make a profit out of that business has a lot to do with 7 figure RVs. I believe you are capable of making your own design plans and could farm the work to smaller specialists for execution... you will likely be better off having your own space for construction too.

Short of the previously mentioned torsion bar suspension Eagle buses and their known structural rust issues and weird parts history, I don't think any other bus would be a bigger PITA than a Scenic to build nice. At the same time, I don't believe there is a Scenic or any other "worked hard" old bus that wouldn't deserve/need a complete tear down, inspection and rebuild to be what you want.

As to re-power options, it mostly is what you can get to fit. From what I gathered about old Flxible chassis that were re-powered from original Buick 320's to much heavier DDs, the slide out frame was often welded back in (for strength?) which killed serviceability. On a Scenic, they all got re-powered/modified once already... no idea if that work was consistent, but I doubt it. Any newer option than a 8v71 would require some amount of reworking. The 8v92 might be simpler, but is obsolete now too. IDK or care to follow newer truck power plants enough to make suggestions, but I would think getting into anything new right now is a mistake. The computerized, emissions laden diesels today still seem to have some more teething years before any get a "bullet proof" reputation. When a likely contender does surface, it will have the electronics hassle similar to modern car engine swaps, but without the support community... that will mean the best course would be to find a suitable donor and swap the complete engine/transmission and possibly rears too. Hard to really predict how hard it will be to keep an old DD on the road. If you feel you have good chances, I would prefer an older non electronic driveline. The big truck guys tell me the automatics have taken over, I suppose the newer stuff would all be in one or two (or more?) codependent computer modules.

If you get serious, I might be able to get some info to help from a friend in the transit bus industry. He would probably not have too much to offer for a highway bus, but you never know. I wouldn't ask him until it was getting real though, too much tire kicking burns none enthusiasts out sometimes.

BTW, as to rarity of the Skyviews... they would have been desirable for touring service in mountainous regions where there was a benefit in being able to see up. They would have been hell in the warmer weather states, baking passengers even if tinted. With a dog engine like a 4v71... they would not have much highway appeal in those same mountainous regions.
 
in some universe, i'm stinking rich and own 10 of 'em already, and me and 7 of 9 (without her Borg stuff attached) are sippin' pina coladas while nude sun bathing on our private beach ... alas not in this one :)
BTW... let me know how that first sunburn works out for you... Pics NOT required...:poke:
 
thanks again. good points on the Skyviews. I'd go with the shades/AC and deal with the leaks as a fact skylight life, be it bus or house. .. I like that natural light man.

Space to work I own. I have little mechanical/diesel capability, particularly not with a vehicle this size. I am handy with interior work, light electrical, etc. So, my labor contribution would be small, while my wallet will be huffin' and puffin' to keep up with the professionals i would need to employ.

I allotted myself four years, and $250K, including acquisition cost of the coach, to get this done. That was when I was firmly in the "build the one I like" mode.

During the course of this thread, I have seen several I would take as-is, presuming repowered (and NOT obsolete) already, and just modernize the interior. Really nice "starter" coaches can be had for under $40K.

Then it became more important to understand the history of that coach to determine the extent to which it was structurally overhauled in the decades since it was retired.

I aint a tirekicker by any means, BUT it is too early for me to engage anyone for actual work until i have acquired the actual coach. :). The acquisition of which could be anytime within the next 18 months.

Any reasonably high likelihood that NON-electronic powertrains will be obsolete? My assumption is NO they wont.

My repower goal is NOT to have the cleanest running, most fuel efficient 1950's RV coach conversion on the planet. I want a reliable, powerful, easy to maintain, NON-electronic managed powertrain, running at ITS best design parameters from the 1980s-90's I would guess.

By crude analogy, though it would be a cool project, I'd never put a Hellcat powertrain in and 1970 Hemi car. Likewise, I wouldnt put whatever is in a 2017 Prevost into a 1955 bus.

What is raising my eyebrows, is can I really ascertain whats going on in the "bones" of these old coachs WITHOUT doing the equivalent of a "frame-off" inspection? My feeling is YES, but all the fatigue issues may NOT be evident.

I am comforted by their "million mile" body designs .. but they coulda be REALLY hard miles. I am gonna look into what the airplane guys do .. the folks flying WWII fighters, DC-3's, Lockheed Electras -- with this issue. Do they rebuilt the airframe?

Thanks Cantflip. Again, a gentleman and a scholar you are. Appreciate your insights :)
 
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BTW... let me know how that first sunburn works out for you... Pics NOT required...:poke:

:)

Not sure I'd even feel it. 7 of 9 might be a predator, like the female mantis. No amount of my money can take the "Borg" outta her.

She does the mating deal with her feller, then chews his friggin' head off. I will be assimilated - the hard way.

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commando1 (a big contributor to this thread) has me off on a "secret mission" chasing a '64 Flexie in Louisiana. Actually its a cool, pre-conversion original coach.

For Sale - Rare 1964 Flxible 29 Passenger Starliner

So, I took the time to look at a few more. ran across this '70 Jimmy. My fourth choice behind PD4501, '70's-'80's Eagles, and the 50's Flxile Starliners. Sultanas have slipped to a distant fifth .. steering goes and I'm toast so I learned late last year.:(

Well within budget, vintage but rebuilt powertrain, interior a bit dated (my interior designer cousin says for $750, and to borrow my Corvette for a week, she'll make it look brand new) but its WOOD and I like the layout.'

I'd spin it as is. :)

Description and Photos below and at this link:
1970 GMC Coach PD4905 Conversion Bus


1970 GMC PD4905 - $84,900
  • Detroit Diesel 8V-71T
  • Allison Automatic V-730-D
  • 20,000 mile on rebuilt powertrain, unknown on coach
This 40' 1970 GMC 4905 Coach has been completely restored and is powered by a recently rebuilt Detroit Diesel 8V-71T engine and rebuilt Detroit Diesel Allison V-730-D automatic transmission, both with less than 20,000 miles.

The original dashboard and steering wheel have been maintained. It is also equipped with many extra's, including; power assist steering, a 22.4 KW Yanmar diesel engine generator fueled from the 200 gallon main fuel storage tank, satellite receiver for TV and internet, 2 Samsung TV's, 2 VCR's, built-in stereo system, built-in 12 volt ambient lighting system on dimmers.


Full eat-in kitchen equipped with a coffee maker, microwave, induction cook top and refrigerator, washer / dryer, full length hanging closet.

Large under seating drawer storage, hardwood VCT Flooring, (2) 8'x 8'x 3' full under carriage carpeted storage bays, full stand-up shower; separate half bathroom.

20 gallons of hot water, 65 gallons of fresh water, 50 gallons of grey water and 50 gallons of black water storage, new waste water discharge system, insulated and heated water storage bay.


(3) rooftop / ceiling mounted heating / air conditioning units, 30 & 50 Amp electric shore hook-up, fresh water shore hook-up, new 24 volt and 12 volt batteries, air-ride drivers seat.

FULL SEPARATE MASTER SUITE, COMFORTABLY SLEEPS 8 -10, COMFORTABLY SEATS 18 - 20.

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