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[amazinblue82]

Clarification folks.

As noted in post 1, I am NOT making any attempt to "change" the site or how it operates or alter/amend member commentary. Free site, free country .. people say and do what they want here solely at their discretion, and subject to the owner's policies for participation here.

All that is cool by me and should stay EXACTLY as it is in my view.

Just trying to have a chat about our collective role in the future of our beloved C-s. Do we help, or hurt, or have little effect on our hobby with our commentary on specific vehicles for sale? Do we think people view us as helpful or not with our comments on their cars?

So I thought a specific thread to exchange views on these "For Sale" threads is topic might be an interesting conversation. And a survey to put some numbers around how folks view what we are/should be doing here with such threads.

Anyway, the "voting" hasnt changed the trend set in the first 10 posts: We should comment, and we should try to be "balanced", and we should expect the occasional "bad reaction" to our "critiques".

Guess we'll see if that holds for next couple of weeks

 

[amazinblue82]

Any comments on cars for sale are only opinions. Market will determine price. I assume we're all at least old enough to drive so by this point everyone should have learned an important life lesson, you should solicit opinions to make the best decision but in the end, it's your decision and other opinions don't really matter.

yeah, shooter65. Like others I am a free-marketeer through and through.

And I like your take on getting other views to make better decisions. No debate there. That's what markets do .. disseminate information to make better decisions.

I guess though words DO matter, no matter how thick skinned/tough minded we are, and how they are delivered directly affects how the words are taken.

That old saying .. even a dog knows when you kicked him versus when you tripped over him, right?

As such, I am more of a "glass half-full" person. I wanna help people make their cars better, and learn how to make mine better. So future caretakers can also better appreciate/learn/be assisted in their preservation. Which helps my cars find good, new homes when that time comes.

A "virtuous" circle, rather than a "vicious" one. People who come here, or we drag here, with their for sale cars. I wanna try to help them.

Several ways to do that .. especially when "bad news" is involved. I tend to deliver bad news the way I hope to get it. Directly, but with respect for the person.

The car doesn't give a sh*t what we say about it -- the people do.

The exception? If the seller is an arse .. and THEY tend to be EASILY recognized .. I don't mind putting a blowtorch to their nads. BUT, i would try to do that PRIVATELY. No need to stir up our basic self-defense instincts that could inflame matters.

Even an arse gets a little respect as a person -- no matter how big an arse they are.

 

[traintech55]

yeah, shooter65. Like others I am a free-marketeer through and through.

And I like your take on getting other views to make better decisions. No debate there. That's what markets do .. disseminate information to make better decisions.

I guess though words DO matter, no matter how thick skinned/tough minded we are, and how they are delivered directly affects how the words are taken.

That old saying .. even a dog knows when you kicked him versus when you tripped over him, right?

As such, I am more of a "glass half-full" person. I wanna help people make their cars better, and learn how to make mine better. So future caretakers can also better appreciate/learn/be assisted in their preservation. Which helps my cars find good, new homes when that time comes.

A "virtuous" circle, rather than a "vicious" one. People who come here, or we drag here, with their for sale cars. I wanna try to help them.

Several ways to do that .. especially when "bad news" is involved. I tend to deliver bad news the way I hope to get it. Directly, but with respect for the person.

The car doesn't give a sh*t what we say about it -- the people do.

The exception? If the seller is an arse .. and THEY tend to be EASILY recognized .. I don't mind putting a blowtorch to their nads. BUT, i would try to do that PRIVATELY. No need to stir up our basic self-defense instincts that could inflame matters.

Even an arse gets a little respect as a person -- no matter how big an arse they are.

Picking a car apart good or bad can be a good thing. Take the 69 fury III that is going around the forum now, I did not spot the Zeibart plugs as mentioned. If I had the money right now I would be on the way to get it.

 

[shooter65]

yeah, shooter65. Like others I am a free-marketeer through and through.

And I like your take on getting other views to make better decisions. No debate there. That's what markets do .. disseminate information to make better decisions.

I guess though words DO matter, no matter how thick skinned/tough minded we are, and how they are delivered directly affects how the words are taken.

That old saying .. even a dog knows when you kicked him versus when you tripped over him, right?

As such, I am more of a "glass half-full" person. I wanna help people make their cars better, and learn how to make mine better. So future caretakers can also better appreciate/learn/be assisted in their preservation. Which helps my cars find good, new homes when that time comes.

A "virtuous" circle, rather than a "vicious" one. People who come here, or we drag here, with their for sale cars. I wanna try to help them.

Several ways to do that .. especially when "bad news" is involved. I tend to deliver bad news the way I hope to get it. Directly, but with respect for the person.

The car doesn't give a sh*t what we say about it -- the people do.

The exception? If the seller is an arse .. and THEY tend to be EASILY recognized .. I don't mind putting a blowtorch to their nads. BUT, i would try to do that PRIVATELY. No need to stir up our basic self-defense instincts that could inflame matters.

Even an arse gets a little respect as a person -- no matter how big an arse they are.

You're absolutely right. I know I've gotten caught up in the feeding frenzy at times of slamming a car where I should have been more diplomatic. I never intend on pissing off someone for their tastes and can certainly be more polite at times. Especially in a forum like this because often intent is lost in the written word.

I should know better as emails are a large part of my professional life so I read and re-read professional emails to make sure they won't be taken out of context. I should extend that practice here more often by trying to make sure my intent is understood.

 

[amazinblue82]

i wasn't lecturing you brother just articulating my personal view alighned with yours.

If we (me, you, anybody) has to communicate via written word a lot .. with people of consequence (customers, bosses, subordinates, ) who DONT know us personally that well, HOW you write that written communicate is important as the content. Gotta learn to do it right or you aint effective at your job.

most professional communications you cant use emojis either .. and if the topic is rough/controversial, we gotta "measure twice (or as needed), cut once". even then, I manage to piss people off unintentionally.

anyway, yeah I have seen "feeding frenzy" threads here. mostly deserved cuz somebody started some sh*t, then it got personal, and soon the mods gotta nuke threads and toss people outta here (just happened this week over some car parts - a thread I so wanted to join but forced myself to stay out of).

other times, it looks like a simple misunderstanding between a couple of folks, then others pile on (just havin fun or with other intentions), and then it gets personal, etc and so forth. expletives fly, tossin' some boobs in the mix to lighten the mood doesnt work, then somebody storms off, and proceeds to badmouth ALL of us.

But with the for sale stuff, when somebody's economic interest MIGHT be in the balance, or it was their mom's car they feel is getting trashed, and the friggin' internet NEVER forgets a word we say or a photo we post, the words might matter, for good or for bad, in ways not obvious at the time.

thanks man!

 

[rapidtrans]

To the C.L. crowd.
If you're serious. Plenty of good photos including fender tag.
To the flippers with their full page wikipedia cut'n paste speil. See above.

 

[SeaFuse]

I voted for the last one. No effect on prices. But perhaps an effect on the percption of the people making the comments about cars.

I enjoy seeing the comments about cars for sale. Seems like half the activity on this board is in that section. I'm a long time and somewhat jaded Mopar guy who is relatively new to C-bodies, and I can say some of the comments are educational and englighting about these awesome yet perpetually fringe cars. Do the comments have an effect on price? This is hard to imagine. The question would be, of all the C-bodies being sold today (on the interwebs), what percentage of them involve buyers / bidders reading these posts and acting on the comments? Maybe it has prevented a few folks in buying rusty green post Polaras for $7,000, but this is low hanging fruit on the englightenment scale.

There is one car in Portland I "exposed" here where it's second sale on eBay after a no-pay on the first had a >$2k price reduction. I think the price reduction probably had to do with schill bidders. A second car I just bought off eBay was discussed twice here. Mostly negative comments. Had one sale that fell through. My purchase was the second sale and >$3k lower than first But this had nothing to do with the comments. Just was little genuine interest in the car and seller needed to liquidate assets.

What seems to be common in discussuons about cars for sale, is ruthless disrespectful bashing of the car's condition, the seller or ludicrous asking price. There is a lot less of that here, maybe due to the elderly and refined demographic of c-body enthusiasts. Caddy and Lincoln folks are nasty by contrast.

 

[CanCritter]

L only offer a opinion when asked for it or l see someone being taken advantage of l may step in...
other than that l keep my opinions to myself unless it involves the goverment

 

[1970cat]

my 2 cents
we are critical of the cars for sale because we are the group that is the collective "experts" on these cars.
can we be overly critical, yes. i see this as a service to the prospective buyers. they can be aware of flaws (body, mechanical, pricing) in these cars that they may have not seen.
how many times have all of us fallen in love with something and paid too much only to be disappointed later? it's our service to prevent this.
is it hurtful to the owners? maybe. some have joined to explain their cars and pricing, great. some have joined to defend themselves through being harsh and abusive to us. not good salesmanship to the largest group of supporters. if a car is built up or torn down by us it is free advertising for the seller, especially when you consider the number of lurkers here.
if you are worried about devaluing our cars, then you are in the wrong place. these cars aren't worth anything (comparatively) to other cars. mostly these cars are here because of our passion for them. we aren't here for profit. the pontiac groups have a term for those who like the big cars--darksiders.
the running joke of a $2500 car is not too far off the mark. if a car is priced at $15,000 but the average price is $4000 be prepared for the harsh reality we dish out. at the same time we may have saved you $11,000 so be thankful.

 

[amazinblue82]

i often wondered where the $2,500 thing originated and its meaning here .

thanks 1970cat.

 

[Fratzog]

... the pontiac groups have a term for those who like the big cars--darksiders.....

Kind of like that .....

 

[commando1]

i often wondered where the $2,500 thing originated and its meaning here .

I'm not the first one to say it, but it was me that first mentioned it here on FCBO.

 

[amazinblue82]

This one was here six years ago. the EARLY days of FCBO 1977 T&C, 129K miles, 440 car.

Son selling it for his mom (dad deceased, family just wanted it gone). Hadnt run in six years but had new tires.

Seller's logic was if anybody wanted it, it would be somebody here. Car laid here for 12 months no action. Got a few thousand views. Went on ebay two months later and sold first try.

Thoughts? assume no price inflation, and only this information you see, what's it worth? Asking price and selling price after the pics.

asking price here $2,000. lowered it, still no takers. sold for $1,200 it appears on ebay.

$1,200 woulda been a sight unseen price for me, and assuming it wasnt more than 1,000 miles away given it was undriveable.

original asking price of $2K seemed fair to me . .and given they wanted gone, everybody probably felt good at $1,200.

 

[amazinblue82]

Dec 2014 on here and craigslist.

Seller wound up selling selling parts off of it. Whole car mighta been stripped/scrapped? Do not know its disposition. Dunno how many times we saw it here.

IF somebody here bought it, i will delete it.

Seller description:

1970 plymouth fury gran coupe. brown with paisley vinyl top. 383 with cam runs and drives needs brake work and a bowl gasket for the carb and a couple other things. does have a little rust on the bottom of the car.

Any guess on asking price based on what you see? What it's really worth? -- no, don't tell me. $2500

asking price was $3200. Thoughts?

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

By the way, my vote is C. Call balls and strikes as I see them.

For example, back to this car. It was advertised at $12,500. I thought it was worth every penny. Didn't see anything I would have objected to. It sold, but dunno the price.

And I would have fought for it up to that number had I been a buyer.

That car is beautiful. Please inform me if it's a 71 or 72.

Thanks!

 

[amazinblue82]

That car is beautiful. Please inform me if it's a 71 or 72.

Thanks!

Actually a 73.

Seller Description - $12,500. 88K Miles

1973 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham Coupe, Sold new in Virginia. This stunning triple black, early 70's Chrysler is a true 2 owner car. The original owner cared for his baby for over 43 years..

With 88k original miles it remains completely original.. This New Yorker is rust free and still retains 100% of its original jet black paint.. Equipped with the infamous 440 Ci "RB" engine coupled to a 727 Torqueflight transmission. A brand new dual exhaust

The original owner ordered this New Yorker with about every available option, We found the build sheet under the rear seat.. Options include: A/C, Power steering, Power disc brakes, Power antenna, Power windows, Power trunk, Power locks, 6 way power seat, Tilt wheel, Telescopic wheel, Cruise control, Rear defogger, Am/Fm/8 Track, Low fuel light, Cold light, Remote mirror, Vinyl roof, Side marker lights, Rally wheels, Tinted glass, Working clock, Fender skirts, Bumper guards and more..

This wonderful big body Chrysler sits on 4 factory rally wheels w/ brand new radial tires.. The original spare tire and jack are still in the trunk, This awesome car runs and drives perfect.. Title shows actual miles

 

[has2bmopar]

I think when something gets attacked harshly it is likely because the price lacks any kind of common sense mixed with a desire to screw someone over. To me some of these people need a boot in the ***, so a gruff truthful opinion shouldn't create a pity party.

When something is well within the realm of reality, proven by past sales there may still be a few idiots that bash a vehicle, but they will be exposed as an idiot when they are far outnumbered by common sense posts.

I made a best offer of 2 cents and an offer to drive the seller to rehab on a rough mid 70s Dodge 1/2 ton pickup with a mismatched 80s box, mismatched tires, dents in most every panel etc. All for; I believe a mere $4,995.00 from a dealer. I could check my email for the link and get some other people's opinions, but I have bought better pickups for $300.00 for parts.

 

[Ross Wooldridge]

Actually a 73.

Seller Description - $12,500. 88K Miles

1973 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham Coupe, Sold new in Virginia. This stunning triple black, early 70's Chrysler is a true 2 owner car. The original owner cared for his baby for over 43 years..

With 88k original miles it remains completely original.. This New Yorker is rust free and still retains 100% of its original jet black paint.. Equipped with the infamous 440 Ci "RB" engine coupled to a 727 Torqueflight transmission. A brand new dual exhaust

The original owner ordered this New Yorker with about every available option, We found the build sheet under the rear seat.. Options include: A/C, Power steering, Power disc brakes, Power antenna, Power windows, Power trunk, Power locks, 6 way power seat, Tilt wheel, Telescopic wheel, Cruise control, Rear defogger, Am/Fm/8 Track, Low fuel light, Cold light, Remote mirror, Vinyl roof, Side marker lights, Rally wheels, Tinted glass, Working clock, Fender skirts, Bumper guards and more..

This wonderful big body Chrysler sits on 4 factory rally wheels w/ brand new radial tires.. The original spare tire and jack are still in the trunk, This awesome car runs and drives perfect.. Title shows actual miles

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Thanks for the info. A beautiful car. They got the proportions and trim right that year!!

 

[saforwardlook]

Great.... I will never get a chance

Carsten got my last Polara, (except for my 1969 Polara 500 convertible with bucket seats, console, power windows and the factory 440 HP - but it is rusty, so I do not think you would have interest) so all I have left are Monacos. If there is another model car you have interest in, let me know and if I have one, I would give you preferential treatment since I know how well you take care of your cars. But truth is that I have sold almost all of my nice ones that I would consider selling. I just had waiting lists for my cars and didn't really have to advertise nearly all of them. I will be selling my 1973 Dodge Monaco wagon, all black and fully loaded with 440 and dual air, console cassette player, 62K miles etc. I also have a number of people waiting for me to list that wagon yet, and will probably do so on Ebay.

 

[crv]

A member is asking for a group look to help evaluating this one. He's interested in it and working to contact buyer.

30K miles, 440. new tires, garage kept apparently. Before you go look and comment if you choose, any guess on asking price?

For Sale - 1976 Chrysler New Yorker

I guessed it would've been priced at around 14K, at least that's what it should be worth, in my opinion.