commando1
Old Man with a Hat
Thus the thread in the Gold Members section.
Do what I do and let off some steam there.
For Sale 70 Monaco 500 FK5
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Do what I do and let off some steam there.
Steve, Facebook isn't the end all, be all of selling a used car. He could have taken a few more minutes and copy and pasted the ad to at least one other source, say CL. Using Messenger to talk to any potential buyers, other than someone asking the obvious in the for sale thread, is a pain in the ***, more so than answering emails or calls in my opinion. But he tried in a futile way that justified his efforts, in his opinion. Don't know him or his work and don't really care or think it matters. We are cheap and therefore the car isn't worth anything more than a torch? What starry-eyed dream was he having when he picked up the car? A six figure payday? Yeah, it's a lesser desired car, how many were liked/lining up to buy it vs a B or E body car? A lot less people. A very short sided decision, and an equally short sided fate for the car. If he's been doing this for 30 years, he should know the market if he's into Mopars, even a little if any. Shop space being a premium, no customer to foot the bill, an impulsive decision that he learned would yeild very little in return, all should have been considered before he laid down dime one. A poor business decision is what this boils down to. I would be mad at anyone who did this, but I can only be mad at Lee, the professional who acted like a novice with how he handled this one. That's the issue, his whole decision making process that led to the desth of a cool car. Too bad you weren't able to look at the car and verify how bad it really was because we have only his word to go by, which is suspect in my mind. Those body panels must have been perfect to hide whatever he claimed was there. I think the reality of the end result and what it would yield, or what it wouldn't yield, was the driving force behind the cars death. Sounds like a rookie mistake of biting off more than he could chew.
Talk is cheap, I'd hoist a beer, but I have to go to work, so I can restore my car that has rust and whatever surprises lurking inside, but damnit, I'm gonna restore the son of a *****!
Merry Christmas everyone.
Talk is cheap, I'd hoist a beer, but I have to go to work, so I can restore my car that has rust and whatever surprises lurking inside, but damnit, I'm gonna restore the son of a *****!
Merry Christmas everyone.
fury fan
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And you said you don't hold grudges. You seem to have a problem with someone disagreeing with you it seems to me. People don't always agree. It is just a normal part of life and should not to be intepreted as an attack of some sort.
Grudge? No.
I have said nothing critical of you, nor to you, since that other thread. I accepted we wouldn't see eye-to-eye sometimes, and 'forgave'. Forgiveness does not require forgetting, but it was as forgotten as could be. Until I saw you doing soemthign you criticized me for - going to/fro with people who weren't agreeing with you. But you use the Red X far more than me, so maybe you know the salient details of the fine art of disagreeing?
I never said he was a liar. The 'BS story' is a BS story because it was just a piss-poor excuse to bail, and a really cool car died because of it. And it seems he bailed on it simply because he wasn't going to make easy money - but any 'pro' knows you can't take a car down like this to paint it and expect to make money when selling. Most amateurs with far less than 30 years experience know this. He wouldn't have made any money on it if it was 100% rust-free. And you can defend him all you want about trying to sell it as a complete pile, but any 'pro' knows that strategy doesn't work on cars that aren't popular for resto.
He maybe needs to consider a new line of work while he is young enough to do so. And keep contact with him, you're gonna get a fire-sale chance to buy a disassembled 300F someday.
azblackhemi
Old Man with a Hat
You use words like I was "spouting off" about this guy, which are your words, not mine and mischaracterizing me yet once again. I don't mind discussing things further, but I don't like you characterizing me falsely for continuting to disagree with you. You are the one disparaging me, so I concluded you were just getting even for disagreeing with you in the past. Why else would you do that?
When you say the guy is making up a "BS Story" you are saying he is a liar about what happened, plain and simple despite how you want to sugar coat your statement. Again, I don't make such statements on line when I really don't have any proof of the claim. And I don't respect those that do. But I don't hate them either or hold a grudge.
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The last thing I want to say is that I have not defended the guy, now the fourth time. OK, so you don't want to hear the insights I shared with you on how this all came about. Fine. I will keep that in mind for the future and cut my posts since there is so much pent up hate going around these days. I didn't come here to have to deal with that. I don't hate or call people liars or stupid or whatever, nor do I believe those that do so hurt anyone more than themselves in the long run and make this community a less desirable place to be too. But hating is endemic to our whole country these days, and it surely is and will continue to do us great harm. There are just two sides to every discussion now - that "right one" and the "wrong one", nothing in between. And every one has to rush to take sides.
All I know for sure is that the faithful got the message one way or another that this car was for sale at a steal of a price LocuMob, even if it was dissambled. The reality I see from all of this diatribe of hate for a guy who actually tried to save it and rectify his mistakes by accepting losing a lot of money is that no one bought it and he had only one call apparently on the car at all (I think Dave who made an offer of $1800 - but I could be wrong - just trying to piece together what I learned from the seller and I think a post from Dave on this topic earlier). And keep in mind that a lot of the reason for the mistakes is that he bought a 300F at a price he could finally afford at precisely the wrong time - an act of passion from a "non-car guy". All this rhetoric for a car that is so valuable and incredible that apparently no one wanted to buy it or at least didn't have $3500 for the complete car, taken apart and a bunch of NOS parts. Very few people are doing full restorations on C bodies anymore either. I am one of the few left. And guys in Europe don't buy cars taken apart for obvious reasons, and their desire for Dodges/Plymouths is generally pretty scant compared to Chryslers and Imperials (Carsten a notable exception).
And I see a very similar problem for 71Polara383, who has a very nice 1970 Sport Fury GT in B7 blue that will require some pretty small amount of rust repair and reassembly but most of the parts are there including NOS ones. I am genuinely wondering whether anyone will step up to the plate for that car either, also at a very good price. And it surely has more love out there for it than a Monaco.
C bodies are desired by very few people in this very big world anymore, and the ones that like them apparently just don't have the will, the means, or the passion or are already "full up" to really do much more than complain loudly and often when another one slips away. And then they find all kinds of reasons to hate this guy when the reality I just mentioned is the real problem. Life is moving on and it isn't going to get any better for C body lovers. That is the reality that won't change. More are going to continue to slip away. So you can increasingly be a hate glutton or you can accept that reality for what it is and be better off for it.
Haters gotta hate, and frankly, I am tired of complainers/haters who increasingly do only that. Life is too short so I will move on now and finally be done with this topic.
My interest in this site has dropped considerably now, and it sure isn't what it used to be just 7 years ago when I joined it.
All I know for sure is that the faithful got the message one way or another that this car was for sale at a steal of a price LocuMob, even if it was dissambled. The reality I see from all of this diatribe of hate for a guy who actually tried to save it and rectify his mistakes by accepting losing a lot of money is that no one bought it and he had only one call apparently on the car at all (I think Dave who made an offer of $1800 - but I could be wrong - just trying to piece together what I learned from the seller and I think a post from Dave on this topic earlier). And keep in mind that a lot of the reason for the mistakes is that he bought a 300F at a price he could finally afford at precisely the wrong time - an act of passion from a "non-car guy". All this rhetoric for a car that is so valuable and incredible that apparently no one wanted to buy it or at least didn't have $3500 for the complete car, taken apart and a bunch of NOS parts. Very few people are doing full restorations on C bodies anymore either. I am one of the few left. And guys in Europe don't buy cars taken apart for obvious reasons, and their desire for Dodges/Plymouths is generally pretty scant compared to Chryslers and Imperials (Carsten a notable exception).
And I see a very similar problem for 71Polara383, who has a very nice 1970 Sport Fury GT in B7 blue that will require some pretty small amount of rust repair and reassembly but most of the parts are there including NOS ones. I am genuinely wondering whether anyone will step up to the plate for that car either, also at a very good price. And it surely has more love out there for it than a Monaco.
C bodies are desired by very few people in this very big world anymore, and the ones that like them apparently just don't have the will, the means, or the passion or are already "full up" to really do much more than complain loudly and often when another one slips away. And then they find all kinds of reasons to hate this guy when the reality I just mentioned is the real problem. Life is moving on and it isn't going to get any better for C body lovers. That is the reality that won't change. More are going to continue to slip away. So you can increasingly be a hate glutton or you can accept that reality for what it is and be better off for it.
Haters gotta hate, and frankly, I am tired of complainers/haters who increasingly do only that. Life is too short so I will move on now and finally be done with this topic.
My interest in this site has dropped considerably now, and it sure isn't what it used to be just 7 years ago when I joined it.
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commando1
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71Polara383
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And this 9 page argument is why I marked my GT as sold.
71Polara383
Kid with ballcap
Behr Salvage and RecyclingAnd you are only just here for 2 years…..
By the way , who bought the GT...….?….just kidding.
fury fan
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Be cautious of how you use BS, someone might continually say you're calling someone else a liar publicly on the internet, and then complain how you're mischaracterizing them...He tried for 2 weeks, maybe less, 1 month before Christmas which is when you have the smallest chance of selling a project like this so
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polara71
Old Man with a Hat
Never have I seen someone defend someone so heavily and then cry about how they aren't defending them.
I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but you would have to be a blind dead mute not to see that....
The amount of contradicting information and useless Bullshit that has been spouted in DEFENSE, of this guy is amazing.
I'm going to just go ahead and go back to my loss-leading completely undesirable basket case C bodies....
Nick
I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but you would have to be a blind dead mute not to see that....
The amount of contradicting information and useless Bullshit that has been spouted in DEFENSE, of this guy is amazing.
I'm going to just go ahead and go back to my loss-leading completely undesirable basket case C bodies....
Nick
Wollfen
Old Man with a Hat
I have been quietly watching this thread for awhile now and I am going to put my five cents in. The car in question, in pieces with all the NOS parts was worth far more than $3500, and this is coming from me who has no love for Dodge Polaras/Monacos. The owner supposedly paid double for it and was taking a loss. I don't know and it doesn't matter, he wanted a quick sale to move on and no one in the two weeks it was for sale put up their hand at the price advertised. Which of course tells me no one at all thought the car had any real value, after all, $3500K for any classic in that condition is pretty damned cheap, especially a 440 car, coupe with buckets, console and very little rust.
I can't blame the guy for parting it, he had a personal time frame he was working to, no one bought it, it got parted. Big deal, honestly no one cared enough to step up.
I care about the cars I have a passion for but I also know many get parted for other projects and parts live on it others, fact of life.
All that aside, what really disappoints me is the polarization of people over this thread, so a couple of us are prepared to entertain anothers point of view even if we disagree with it, namely the seller. Then there are those that seem to have actual animosity toward him, why? Cos he didn't do it on a time frame that suits others? He didn't offer it in a place others found it agreeable to be in? It was his car, he could do whatever the hell he wanted with it. Hey Hollywood buys old cars up in good condition and smashes them up in movie scenes all the time. I don't ever hear anyone complain about that.
I see cars come and go all the time because I wasn't cashed up, or ready to buy or simply didn't hear about it until it was too late.Then I hear it has lost its engine or is parted etc. Even then I don't complain, but so many here are bitching about its loss when they had no intention of buying it anyway.
The seller didn't do anything wrong as far as I can see, I may dislike what he did but he didn't commit a crime, no one was defrauded, no one ended up hurt. So a nice car got lost, it's not the first and sure as hell won't be the last. I gave up long ago watching good cars get scrapped and getting upset about it. It's not worth getting all worked up over in all honesty, life is more important.
I can't blame the guy for parting it, he had a personal time frame he was working to, no one bought it, it got parted. Big deal, honestly no one cared enough to step up.
I care about the cars I have a passion for but I also know many get parted for other projects and parts live on it others, fact of life.
All that aside, what really disappoints me is the polarization of people over this thread, so a couple of us are prepared to entertain anothers point of view even if we disagree with it, namely the seller. Then there are those that seem to have actual animosity toward him, why? Cos he didn't do it on a time frame that suits others? He didn't offer it in a place others found it agreeable to be in? It was his car, he could do whatever the hell he wanted with it. Hey Hollywood buys old cars up in good condition and smashes them up in movie scenes all the time. I don't ever hear anyone complain about that.
I see cars come and go all the time because I wasn't cashed up, or ready to buy or simply didn't hear about it until it was too late.Then I hear it has lost its engine or is parted etc. Even then I don't complain, but so many here are bitching about its loss when they had no intention of buying it anyway.
The seller didn't do anything wrong as far as I can see, I may dislike what he did but he didn't commit a crime, no one was defrauded, no one ended up hurt. So a nice car got lost, it's not the first and sure as hell won't be the last. I gave up long ago watching good cars get scrapped and getting upset about it. It's not worth getting all worked up over in all honesty, life is more important.
fury fan
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Saddest thing is the car is gone.
The #2 saddest thing, that I don't think has been mentioned yet, is that the guy who sold it to Mr Scrapman, probably thought it was going to a good home, to pro who would restore it. If I were him I'd be absolutely sick to my stomach at what happened to that car 6 months later, by the guy I sold it to. I'd never want to sell a car again.
The #2 saddest thing, that I don't think has been mentioned yet, is that the guy who sold it to Mr Scrapman, probably thought it was going to a good home, to pro who would restore it. If I were him I'd be absolutely sick to my stomach at what happened to that car 6 months later, by the guy I sold it to. I'd never want to sell a car again.
There's a very prophetic post from page 1. Approx 1 month later, that's exactly what happened.
You guys (and many others on the thread, regardless of which side they took in this argument) are not giving yourselves enough credit.
I joined the site 6+ years ago, but only started seriously participating 2 years back. I sure have not noticed a drop in helpfulness. All that time, you have shared your knowledge and advice with newbies like me, helped out a number of folks with hard-to-find parts and the like, etc.
I would hate to see anyone, especially Steve (who has written countless posts providing considerable insights and uniquely informed perspectives), cut their contributions to the site over this thread.
Like he said.
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