furyus 67
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Can't have one without the other Stan!
Stock???
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furyus 67
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They will be there Zach!!! If 2015 hadn't kicked my *** the way it did , I'd have em now!
New year my friend, You Kick 2016s *** this time.
furyus 67
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That's the plan Stan....I mean Zack! Lol
Usaully i would be offended bit When someone Calls me Stan, I cant help but be Flattered lol.
traintech55
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Ahh yes us oldsters do have our opinions, but think back to your younger days, We had great cars, music, mini skirts, and go go boots, a time younger kids cannot understand. Back in the day how many of us modified our Mopars so we could beat the guy with the hot car down the block, I know I did and had a great time doing it.
Best response I have seen on this site yet in 2016!! All of 5 days old!
One of the most beautiful, elegant and tasteful luxury cars even designed, and you can't wait to get your hands on one and totally mess it up!
Like Stan said............................
furyus 67
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No no safeforward! The sketch I posted is close to my vision for my 67 fury! I just don't do "stock" when it comes to hobby cars. Now I would NOT touch one bolt on the Lincoln in your picture! But..... If I found a " basket case" example of the Lincoln......with out a second thought I would!!One of the most beautiful, elegant and tasteful luxury cars even designed, and you can't wait to get your hands on one and totally mess it up!
Like Stan said............................
furyus 67
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If, in your opinion that this is " totally messed up"..... Than you can call me pigpen
!! I like messy!!!
You like cars or Women messy? Please say Cars.
furyus 67
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Both!! Meet the Mrs!
furyus 67
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Ok....just cars and only if that is considered "messy"!
WOULD YOU AT LEAST TELL HER TO GET HER *** OFF THE PAINT
Wildaugust
Senior Member
In the sketch, the wheels on that Lincoln are way too big, in my opinion. They don't look as bad on the black car in the photo, again in my opinion. Yes, I do like "tuck and roll" to this day and may even do my dashpad in my truck with it, if I put the pad back in at all. I love the flake roof on the blue slab New Yorker that belongs to one of our members. He did a beautiful job on that whole car, AFAIC. The look "works".
That's one of the biggest problems. A lot of the time the look doesn't "work" and it ends up being hideous. I hate to diss somebody's project, but a case in point would be a local truck. I won't mention the make or year, other than to say it is a '50s era pick-up. The first time I saw it it was beautiful. It was painted a sharp looking color, the interior had been painted and reupholstered, the bed and tailgate had been customized and there was an early '70s modified V8 under the hood. It was a very cool little hot rod truck.
I didn't see the truck again for about ten years, when I happened to spot it at a cruise night. I walked over to look at it, but when I got to within about fifteen or twenty feet I realized something was terribly wrong. The first thing that I noticed was that the roof had been chopped, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but in this case this truck didn't need it. The truck was perfect before. The next atrocity I noticed was that the entire original dash had been removed and replaced with a late model dash from a minivan or who knows what, but the damn dash was way too big for the interior. It just looked totally out of place. Then I looked under the hood and noticed a huge mess in what used to be a clean engine compartment. The early '70s brand correct V8 engine had been replaced with a late model fuel injected, computerized V8 of unknown manufacture. Almost all sheetmetal forward of the windshield had been customized and in no way could be called an improvement. I walked away saddened and muttering to myself about how they had completely ruined a nice old truck.
Like Stan mentioned, I have seen so many wagons, four door sedans and even two door cars have their roof hacked off in an attempt to make an El Camino/Ranchero and either end up never being finished and just hauled away as scrap, or they eventually are finished, but end up looking like hell with angle iron for bed rails and cut up culvert pipe for wheel tubs in the box (bed). There was one guy here that did do a really nice job on a late '90s Grand Marquis, which he named "Grandchero". He must have been an expert bodyman because it was actually very nice, but it was also the rare exception.
So, I can understand the viewpoint of those who say "leave it alone". As far as it being worth more, that may depend on the make/type of car, but at least it won't be rendered useless by somebody who doesn't have a clue. Sadly, it doesn't look like our C-bodies are ever going to be worth much more. They may go up a little, though. One of my buddies is a Chevy guy and we were talking about this, leaving it stock vs customizing it. He has a '57 and has also owned Chevelles and El Caminos over the years. His point of view is that you can do whatever you want to the engine, just don't alter the body. I more or less agree. Some people can look at a car and envision tasteful mods that work, others can't and once they start modifying don't know where to stop.
That's one of the biggest problems. A lot of the time the look doesn't "work" and it ends up being hideous. I hate to diss somebody's project, but a case in point would be a local truck. I won't mention the make or year, other than to say it is a '50s era pick-up. The first time I saw it it was beautiful. It was painted a sharp looking color, the interior had been painted and reupholstered, the bed and tailgate had been customized and there was an early '70s modified V8 under the hood. It was a very cool little hot rod truck.
I didn't see the truck again for about ten years, when I happened to spot it at a cruise night. I walked over to look at it, but when I got to within about fifteen or twenty feet I realized something was terribly wrong. The first thing that I noticed was that the roof had been chopped, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but in this case this truck didn't need it. The truck was perfect before. The next atrocity I noticed was that the entire original dash had been removed and replaced with a late model dash from a minivan or who knows what, but the damn dash was way too big for the interior. It just looked totally out of place. Then I looked under the hood and noticed a huge mess in what used to be a clean engine compartment. The early '70s brand correct V8 engine had been replaced with a late model fuel injected, computerized V8 of unknown manufacture. Almost all sheetmetal forward of the windshield had been customized and in no way could be called an improvement. I walked away saddened and muttering to myself about how they had completely ruined a nice old truck.
Like Stan mentioned, I have seen so many wagons, four door sedans and even two door cars have their roof hacked off in an attempt to make an El Camino/Ranchero and either end up never being finished and just hauled away as scrap, or they eventually are finished, but end up looking like hell with angle iron for bed rails and cut up culvert pipe for wheel tubs in the box (bed). There was one guy here that did do a really nice job on a late '90s Grand Marquis, which he named "Grandchero". He must have been an expert bodyman because it was actually very nice, but it was also the rare exception.
So, I can understand the viewpoint of those who say "leave it alone". As far as it being worth more, that may depend on the make/type of car, but at least it won't be rendered useless by somebody who doesn't have a clue. Sadly, it doesn't look like our C-bodies are ever going to be worth much more. They may go up a little, though. One of my buddies is a Chevy guy and we were talking about this, leaving it stock vs customizing it. He has a '57 and has also owned Chevelles and El Caminos over the years. His point of view is that you can do whatever you want to the engine, just don't alter the body. I more or less agree. Some people can look at a car and envision tasteful mods that work, others can't and once they start modifying don't know where to stop.
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furyus 67
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I like to consider myself "tasteful" lol. For me craftsmanship is everything! Real Craftsmanship takes time and a lot of skill, especially in the body department. Chip Foose for example. I can't say I agree with everything he does, but anyone with eyes can agree he's a craftsman! Gene Winfeild, Bill Hines....craftsmen. If it's clean and well executed...... I can appreciate it. Me being a product of the 70's a,child of the 80's and a pubic convulsion of the 90's I have a tendency to lean towards the Boyd's of that time for style. They were plastered all over my bedroom wall! I still remember reading hotrods article on cadzilla!!Then pasting it to my wall next to a pic of Tiffany Thiessen!
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When i was looking for my car, got offer of really nice and original 2d HT New Yorker. I didnt want it, because i knew i will build and upgrade my car.
My dream C-body is, 1970/69 300 (newport/new yorker) 2d HT, with around 500cid twin turbo, aprox 1000hp, fuel injection (E85), overdrive transmission so can drive 200-300km trips, air suspension with little pro touring touch at suspension.
Interior basically stock, except better front seats. Hiden stereos, with sound insulation. Center console, electric windows...
Outside stock, maybe with leds in lights. Paint Inferno Red with black vinyl roof. There is too many black C-bodys at Europe already
Wheels 17" max 18" with enough rubber, so those dont look like rubber bands.
Something like this 0:035-> low and big
EDIT Chip Foose.... sigh that guy is so stuck to late 90 early 2000 with that 2 tone paint.... Some1 should tell him, that thing did go out of fashion like 15 years ago.
My dream C-body is, 1970/69 300 (newport/new yorker) 2d HT, with around 500cid twin turbo, aprox 1000hp, fuel injection (E85), overdrive transmission so can drive 200-300km trips, air suspension with little pro touring touch at suspension.
Interior basically stock, except better front seats. Hiden stereos, with sound insulation. Center console, electric windows...
Outside stock, maybe with leds in lights. Paint Inferno Red with black vinyl roof. There is too many black C-bodys at Europe already
Wheels 17" max 18" with enough rubber, so those dont look like rubber bands.
Something like this 0:035-> low and big
EDIT Chip Foose.... sigh that guy is so stuck to late 90 early 2000 with that 2 tone paint.... Some1 should tell him, that thing did go out of fashion like 15 years ago.
Good thing I've stuck to drivetrain upgrades. I don't think there's anything I could do to a 66 Polara's body that would look right, other than cutting up a hood for the hole I'd need if I put on a hood scoop! Now, would you cut a hole in the original hood that's been dented in the front, or use a hood off a parts car that needs the scale scraped off it?
Landyacht
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I believe that if you purchase a classic car that is in near mint condition it should left alone. If the car is a beater why not have some fun with it and modify it. The only drawback to modifying your car is when you sell it , the next owner will have a hard time trying to fix it if it brakes down and (depending on how heavily modified the car is ) no professional mechanic in their right mind will come within a hundred feet of it.
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