Wollfen
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The engine appears to be rebuilt in the new photo, I would expect he has recipients for that. I would think if he has done that surely he has had the transmission done too?
For Sale 1970 Plymouth Sport Fury GT
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Derek and I discussed this car earlier this week and came to the same conclusion that the price is unrealistic given the current condition. He is asking $24k for the 68 
...methinks its a case of yes dear I will sell my cars so you can park your Lexus in the garage..it is here in Calgary if someone wants an eyeball on it but IMHO there is only one SFGT worth looking at in this town and that's this one....
...methinks its a case of yes dear I will sell my cars so you can park your Lexus in the garage..it is here in Calgary if someone wants an eyeball on it but IMHO there is only one SFGT worth looking at in this town and that's this one....
Wollfen
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Very nice GT's sell for over 20K now.
I have seen 6BBL cars going for that, have yet to see a standard one for that much. Maybe I need to get out more. Since it costs about $35k to $45k to bring one back, I guess that asking price is reasonable. Does any one know if any have sold at that price? These cars, for me anyway, have always been a tough one to value, mostly because there are so few of them left. I read someplace that the survival rate is only about ten percent or less. That works out to something like 65 total so there are not usually very many for sale.
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If you look closely, you can see the holly carb peeking out from under the air cleaner. Vacuum pot on the left front of the carb is visible which gives it away.
That means it is a 350 hp car with the California smog package.
Dave
I don't believe that is correct, as all Sport Fury GTs in 1970 came with the standard performance 350 hp 440 engines unless you got the 6bbl optional 440HP engine (which came with the 3 2bbl Holley carburetors). The standard 440 engines all came with Holley carburetors (both federal and California emission packages (the latter had a required evaporative control system)). The Carter 4 bbl carburetors were used only on the 440HP engines (rated at 375hp), again both for Federal and California vehicles.
I have only saw 2 6bbl SFGT cars with my eyeballs. And pictures of a couple of them that a person here on FCBO saved from junk yards that are in grade 5 or 4 condition.
polara71
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Clearly the numbers are all over the map. He's asking 19000 so he'll take 15 or 14.
The variation in the pricing is colors and options when comparing liked condition cars. Critters car only got the attention it did because Derek saw beauty in the color combo. That car languished on the market for years .
The variation in the pricing is colors and options when comparing liked condition cars. Critters car only got the attention it did because Derek saw beauty in the color combo. That car languished on the market for years .
I'm with Fury Pursuit on this. A lot folks are speculating on the value without having much information. The photos leave a lot to be desired. The seller needs to answer questions asked and get that car out of the garage and show photos of the quarter panels, trunk floor and the area around the rear window. The photos before the restoration started show that the car had nice paint, wheel opening moldings and rocker panel moldings. That tells me that the seller likely started with a complete car that was not a basket case. This seller clearly already has purchased some restoration parts that have some value.
The reality is that a green '71 GT that needed a total restoration recently sold for $7500 so if this '70 GT does have a rebuilt drivetrain and is a fairly sold car with no missing parts why wouldn't it be worth twice that? I don't think that I have seen any '70 GT for sale in the last year except for the bronze one in Texas that the seller did not know was a GT. '70 - '71 GT's just don't come up for sale very often and decent GT's that are running, driving cars but need restoration often sell in the mid teens US. Can anyone show me a nicely restored '70 or '71 GT that is for sale or sold within the past few years for less than $30k? The only one that comes to my mind in the black '71 GT that sold for just under $30k (and is now for sale for a lot more) and that car had issues with the stripes and nothing had been done to the undercarriage of the car. Your total investment with restoration costs are going to be at least $30k & more unless you can do all of the work yourself.
Another reality is that most of the GT's left needing restoration are Green. Green was very popular in the late '60's and early '70's as were other earth tones so the chances of finding a GT to restore is that isn't green is not great.
A major problem with restoring these cars is finding parts. Rocker panel moldings are just not out there. Someone needs to reproduce them. '70 tail lamp lenses and the correct bumper finish panels are very difficult to find and pricey as are the rear bumper rubber appliques for the '71 rear bumpers. Where you going to find sheet metal? I just sold a pair of NOS '70-'71 fenders for non '70 Sport Furys for just under a grand to a member that is restoring a '70 Gran Coupe.
Just one man's opinion who has been a GT fanatic for more than 20 years.
polara71
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If only my Polara Brougham said GT on it
I think it might have depended on when the cars were produced. Some of the 440 engines with Carter Carbs on the 350 horse versions were produced late in 1969 that went into 1970 model vehicles. I have one like that that has a 10/69 build date.
Dave
All the standard performance 440s in 1969 also had Holleys. But never say never..........................................
You are very gracious. I do know from working on the police cruisers of that era,(69-70) that all of the T-Code police vehicles in this area(OR & WA) still had AVS Carbs on them, granted, they were special order vehicles. They also had the high performance exhaust manifolds as well even on the cars with factory A/C. This suggests that there was still a possibility that some AVS carbs may have found their way into other classes of vehicles since the ability to produce them still existed. Would not be the first time Mother Mopar produced some outliers. I do not know of any good way to verify one way or another, so I guess we should leave it at that.
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My belief is that starting in 67, all typical production cars with non-HP 440s had Holleys, while the HPs got Carters. I've read that depending on CA emissions packages, and AC, that there are certain combinations that deviate from that general rule. (special-order copcars are exceptions, of course)
So here's a question - on regular GT in 70, they got log manifolds, but a V-code would most surely have HP manifolds. But what driverside manifold? Not the 70-71 C-body HP manifold, as that has a heat stove and there's no connection for that on a 6-bbl air cleaner, correct? It would look silly. So did they use the 'smooth' 68-69 manifold?
I've got 15, maybe 20, GT cars I've saved data on (incl both 70 and 71):
2 of them are the yellow and black Cluley cars,
green Cluley Canadian promo car
a very nice black-black 70 GT that sold for like $50k?
1 nice blue one in Canada (CL listing was very thin on data)
the 71 'Snohomish' car most of us said was overpriced at $35k and eventually listed down to $19,500
All the rest have been project cars, or drivable cars that would need at least $10k to approach the appearance of the Snohomish car. So IMO it's nearly impossible to say what one of these cars is worth.
So here's a question - on regular GT in 70, they got log manifolds, but a V-code would most surely have HP manifolds. But what driverside manifold? Not the 70-71 C-body HP manifold, as that has a heat stove and there's no connection for that on a 6-bbl air cleaner, correct? It would look silly. So did they use the 'smooth' 68-69 manifold?
I don't think we should assume it's been rebuilt. It could've simply been a gasket-and-paint job, which is prudent if the engine is healthy. But based on the info the seller gave, there's no way to know.
Agreed, lots of $$ to finish that one, to get that one to the status many of us expect on a GT.
Asking price, probably, but that doesn't mean it's worth that. It's worth what somebody will give for it, or what Hagerty is covering it for. How many GTs have we seen sell in that 40-45 range? Actual sales where the sell price is known, not speculated?
Polara71 hit it. These cars are not sold in high-enough volume of documented sales to say what they are worth. We can all speculate what they might sell for, or can offer judgments if things are priced too high.
I've got 15, maybe 20, GT cars I've saved data on (incl both 70 and 71):
2 of them are the yellow and black Cluley cars,
green Cluley Canadian promo car
a very nice black-black 70 GT that sold for like $50k?
1 nice blue one in Canada (CL listing was very thin on data)
the 71 'Snohomish' car most of us said was overpriced at $35k and eventually listed down to $19,500
All the rest have been project cars, or drivable cars that would need at least $10k to approach the appearance of the Snohomish car. So IMO it's nearly impossible to say what one of these cars is worth.
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I could be wrong, but that looks like possibly a weld patch, and the yellow may be leaves, or it may be expandable foam. I've seen some sound-deadener on the inside of quarterpanels look like it made a seam, but this picture sure looks funny.
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Snohomish:
CanCritter
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those 45-50k prices are only applicable if owner dose all the work himself and no parts need replacing or rebuilding....if so add accordingly then add original cost of car........
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